Flying with Delta today Part 2: I’m Back, full report

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Okay: My earlier thread talked about expectations and self-defense while traveling the Friendly Skies of these United States.

I caught a total of 6 hops, or legs of travel on airplanes.
The first 3 were under Yellow Alert.
The last 3 were under Orange Alert, after the President’s 48 hr. ultimatum.

Disclaimer: I am going to posit some possibilities that COULD have passed, but am NOT condoning or encouraging ANYONE to attempt these possibilities. Just taking it to the extreme for discussion’s sake.

Observations:

geekWithA.45—"Yah, the cane is dubious."

Total green light on the cane, all 6 flights, never a question. Always run through X-ray in one piece.
In fact, due to the design and composition of the cane which was an adjustable affair, easily separated into 2 weapons, mods could be made to make it even more of a Terrorist Defense weapon: some kind of weight (sand, lead, coins) could have been placed in the ends of the two pieces. Also, the “unfinished†ends (either the part that inserts into the bottom of the handle, the bottom of the handle itself, or both) could be filed to have a very sharp “lipâ€, but kept round without changing the look of the cane.

MiniMag 6 ½†flashlight: Got it in Lt. Blue, so it was as “non-tactical†as possible. Hooked onto keychain with a lot of keys.
Looked at longer than “total pass†one time, going through Orlando security on the way to Atlanta (Orange Alert Level). TSA rep might have held it an extra second, didn’t take it apart, didn’t turn it on to verify batteries.
Another note re: Orlando during Orange Alert: People who wore dress shoes were being asked to take them off and have them X-rayed; sneakers/athletic shoes were given a pass.

bad_dad_brad—you mentioned getting the 3rd degree a while back in Chicago; perhaps because you DIDN’T have a carry-on. Just a thought.

Ewok—I and others would LOVE to hear a report about your travel on El Al to Israel in April.

Lone Gunman—Only one flight involved “storing†my cane. It was a small plane, lightly booked, one attendant, late night flight. Probably a reasonable precaution on her part. I complied happily. ALL other flights, it was never mentioned and I had it with me the whole time.

Twoblink—you suggested a #2 pencil; right now, they’re still letting metal Parker pens and Fisher Space Pens through. Had both with me, stored in my carry-on, passed X-ray 6 times with no questions.

Oh! Another thing I had: the seat belt extender. Unlatched, that could make a pretty formidable bludgeon. Maybe 16†with a 5-6oz. Buckle on the end…

So, to summarize:
I was not hassled AT ALL, with 3 metal writing pens, 6 ½†MagLight *on a keychain*, an adjustable metal cane, the socks/coins for a blackjack, and the seatbelt extender given to me on every flight. I wore jeans or shorts and a golf shirt in every case, with white leather athletic shoes.
I own a Kydex knife, but chose not to try that. Entirely too “suspect†if caught. Good thing, since Delta now words their pre-flight info to include “knives of metal OR ANY OTHER MATERIAL are stricly prohibitedâ€.

Read into it what you will.
Let the critique commence.
 
I'm curious as to how long it took you to get thru "airport security" at all destinations.
Your data along with others I already have will help me decide if I want to fly or drive on vacation in the next few months.
Thanks.
 
People who wore dress shoes were being asked to take them off and have them X-rayed; sneakers/athletic shoes were given a pass.

Probably an olfactory reasoning behind that one.

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One thing I have wondered, what would keep a middle eastern male type passenger from boarding with his arm in a plaster cast and sling? Poor guy, but sometimes miraculous healing occurs as you get closer to heaven. I would imagine a healthy arm could be quite a weapon with that kind of "armor" ...
 
I normally have a carry on with a full change of clothes in it when I travel by air. Athletic socks and any heavy object make a great bludgeon so I usually carry two D-Cell batteries.

:D
 
People who wore dress shoes were being asked to take them off and have them X-rayed; sneakers/athletic shoes were given a pass.

Many dress shoes have a metal plate in the sole to add stiffness. These metal plates often set off the metal detector (hey, it works) when a person walks through. After the TSA has hand wanded a few thousand people with metal inserts in their shoes the TSA decides to fix the problem by having all suspect shoes x-rayed which allows people to move through the metal detectors without delay.

Most athletic shoes don't have metal in the construction.
 
Bainx--
I'm curious as to how long it took you to get thru "airport security" at all destinations.
Much shorter than I had allowed for. The only place I even encountered a significant line was Tue pm in Orlando, about 15 minute wait, maybe 50-75 people in line going through 3-4 detectors.

My first flight was for 5:45pm; usually a busy time.
I had heard allow 2-3 hours, and got there about 3pm.
I could easily have waited an hour and a half more at the house/office.

I'd allow maybe an hour and a half at smaller airports like TYS and 2 to 2 1/2 at a hub like Atlanta, O'Hare, DFW etc. Maybe less than some would advise, but it should be very adequate.

Another observation:
I didn't really notice people being more "stressed" or alert in airports and on flights than pre-9/11.
Maybe it's cause I have a pre-existing disdain for the whole experience of being stuffed into a little metal tube with too many other people and being bounced around while everyone goes into this passive semi-conscious state for a couple of hours... :uhoh: :barf:

...but it wasn't particularly MORE unpleasant than flying before the world changed.
 
I was not hassled AT ALL, with 3 metal writing pens, 6 ½†MagLight *on a keychain*, an adjustable metal cane, the socks/coins for a blackjack, and the seatbelt extender given to me on every flight. I wore jeans or shorts and a golf shirt in every case, with white leather athletic shoes.

You were not hassled THIS TIME is probably a better statement.

Next time will be entirely diferent. The only thing these security checks have going for them is that there is no rhyme or reason to anything they require.
 
CatsDieNow--
You were not hassled THIS TIME is probably a better statement. Next time will be entirely diferent.
I disagree. 6 times they scanned my carry-on equipment. 6 times I was given a pass.
How can you possibly "declare" that 'next time WILL be entirely different'? (emphasis and spelling correction mine). How 'bout some money on it, say...a hundred bucks? Are you THAT confident? I'm not. It's a crap shoot.

I know that my equipment, intended for self-defense, did NOT get me a secondary search. If it didn't now at Threat Level Yellow or Orange, it won't two weeks from now, unless they change the criteria or it rises to Red.

Now, I CERTAINLY might be "randomly" chosen, but not because of what I'm carrying. That's been demonstrated.
 
Felonious Monk:

Dude, calm down...I certainly did not mean anything I said to be an attack on your integrity.

Maybe you fly more than I do, but I go on a trip that requires air travel about every six months. Every different trip had either some new restriction or maybe I just walked right on through with fewer checks than before 9/11. The last time I went home to Indiana, I got my car searched before I even got in DFW airport, and on the way home the folks in South Bend decided to do hand inspection of ALL baggage (including checked) for everyone before you could go to the gate which was different than my previous trip.

Also, just because you drew six reasonable people on this trip doesn't mean you couldn't get a guy who wasn't even cool enough to be a mall-ninja (like the one I ran into) on your next trip.

I was not aware that I made such a harsh stance on the matter, but $100 that your next trip will be exactly the same as this one? You're on - provided I get a more detailed report of this trip. Your best odds on winning this one would be to go to exactly the same airports at the same time of day and week. This war with Iraq thing might complicate things too. Different, yes; better or worse - who knows.
 
No sweat, CDN.

I was late taking my medicine today.
I'm Bruce Banner again. The Hulk has gone back to sleep for now...

See, I turn into this green guy sometimes. Can't really help it. Something about that unprotected exposure to a Gamma bomb when I was younger. ;)

Sorry! :( :eek:
 
I flew from Dulles to Seattle this past Tuesday and flew back yesterday (3/20). Both flights were on Alaska Airlines. Security was tight, especially yesterday, but the delays were not unreasonable. The only potential ad hoc weapon I had was a 1-1/2" Milt Sparks belt with the large, square buckle. I took it off prior to going through the metal detector and no one paid any attention to it. I noticed several people that were allowed to carry canes on board and stowed them in the overhead bins. Everyone on the flights seemed relaxed, although I did keep an eye on one fellow who asked if the breakfast choices contained any pork products. :) The flight attendants announced several times that a line would not be allowed to form for the lavatory located near the cockpit, and I noticed that they enforced this rule.
 
Duty Traveling This Weekend ...

Forced to fly commercial. Requested authorization to travel PMV (my car) ON MY TIME- ON MY OWN NICKLE. Request denied - cringe factor high ...
 
Well, talking about (a lack of) security...

I was in a hotel in Oakland, California last Friday night. I arrived there by traveling from Knoxville, TN to NY Laguardia then to NY Kennedy airport. I went through security in Knoxville and New York's JFK.

So, I'm in the hotel. I pull my jeans out of my bag and put them on. Then I noticed that my cheapo folding knife is still clipped to the pocket where I had it the previous day.

Whew, was I worried. Since I'm a pilot I know what should and should not be allowed through security. Also, since I'm a pilot, I would be held to a higher standard should I be caught trying to pass a pocket knife through security. I was very thankful for not having been put in a position to have to explain why I had a knife in my bag.

But after some time to think and reflect on the fact that I passed through two security checkpoints at two different airports I decided to try an experiment.

I left my knife in my jean's pocket for the next two days. I passed through checkpoints at three more airports uneventfully while the other pilot I was flying with had his bag hand inspected for some item in his shaving kit.

I certainly feel safer with all the increased security.
:rolleyes:
 
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