FN Five Seven . . . Why did I do it?

[Father_of_10]

I bought a FN Five Seven the other day. In order to ease my guilt over buying a new, expensive toy, I have to sell a couple. That's ok because I don't think I will miss the 2 i'm selling, but i'm already having buyer's remorse. I put 60 rds through the 5.7 and I really like it, but $1150 for a super fancy, super fast .22?

 

[Geckgo]

this is why I don't buy new fancy stuff. I'm actually on the fence about an AR for this same reason.

 

[MedWheeler]

You'll also be asking yourself "Why did I post this in the "revolvers" forum?"

 

[Strahley]

That about sums up a Five-Seven. I've shot one before, I was left disappointed. Glad I've never had an itch for one...they don't serve any real purpose (aside from an overly expensive range queen) as far as I'm concerned

 

[ZombieKiller57]

That about sums up a Five-Seven. I've shot one before, I was left disappointed. Glad I've never had an itch for one...they don't serve any real purpose (aside from an overly expensive range queen) as far as I'm concerned

To say they don't serve a real purpose would be disingenuous. It has it place in the armaments of today, and it's just a deadly as any other weapon. Just ask Maj. Hasan

 

[DesertFox]

Always seemed like very expensive .22WMR to me...

 

[Father_of_10]

I was just asking myself why I posted this here too. I guess the five seven is full of questions!

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

A Five Seven you say? Thats got one of them doo-hickies on the top that goes back and forth and stuff right?

I've shot one before, seemed nice and I would like to get one someday but I'm unsure about self defense. I would trust my life with it though.

Always seemed like very expensive .22WMR to me...

Its more powerful than .22 WMR from a rifle, its about the same as a 9mm from what I've seen.

 

[psyshack]

Come on! You bought it because you wanted it! I want one also. But not what you paid for one.

 

[DAdams]

100 yard pistol is a good reason. High round count. Do a AR 5.7 conversion matching ammo higher round count than 30.
Mods must be on vacation.

 

[Gordon]

Maybe I'll have to post about my Colt Bisley converted by Christy Gunworks to .22 K Hornet in the Semi auto pistol forums. After all it blows the wheels off the 5.7x28 (for 6 shots).

 

[stiletto raggio]

Because you didn't notice the Kel-Tec PMR-30 holds ten more rounds, costs half as much to shoot, and produces similar ballistics with less muzzle blast?

 

[Strahley]

To say they don't serve a real purpose would be disingenuous. It has it place in the armaments of today, and it's just a deadly as any other weapon. Just ask Maj. Hasan

He shot 42 and 29 lived. Nearly 70% of the people he shot did not die. Doesn't sound very deadly to me

 

[Shaky]

I have no idea why anyone would do that...I'm holding out for the new 50 round .075 caliber pushing 4000 fps.

 

[Father_of_10]

So 13 out of 42 were killed? How many do you think would have died if he was using a 9mm? In combat most people who get shot do not die. Many people survive after being shot with 45s and even .50 bmg sometimes. 30% kill ratio is actually pretty good.

 

[rdrancher]

Deleted

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

About 30% of people shot die, what happened at Ft. Hood roughly matches this.

and produces similar ballistics with less muzzle blast?

.22 WMR from a pistol does not equal 5.7 from a pistol.

 

[MachIVshooter]

.22 WMR from a pistol does not equal 5.7 from a pistol.

From a ballistics standpoint, no. But the actual wound channels are very, very similar. Except for a couple of botique loads, the 5.7 from the pistol is still too slow to achieve the wounding mechanisms of high velocity rifle cartridges. Even those custom loads that achieve 2,300-2,400 are still too slow, when one considers that the 5.56mm is considered inadequate once it's velocity drops to ~2,500 FPS, because the small projectiles don't create that large of a cavity and rely heavily on yaw and tumble.

So while the 5.7 does achieve higher velocities, it's not enough of an increase to make the round more terminally effective. It's only real advantage is better soft armor defeating capabilities than the WMR.

 

[JShirley]

You know, the time it takes to snarkily comment on a thread's placement in the wrong forum could just as easily- and more productively- be used to notify us using the "report post" button conveniently located in every post.

The 5.7mm is a specialty round, but if you need holes punched in body armor at intermediate range with little recoil, it's pretty good at it.

John

 

[carbuncle]

For $1150 I could knock from 3 to 7 guns off my extensive want list, but some of the guns on the list cost that and more so I will just say well done, enjoy your new gun!

 

[Pete D.]

Because you didn't notice the Kel-Tec PMR-30 holds ten more rounds, costs half as much to shoot, and produces similar ballistics with less muzzle blast?

Why? Why? Oh, why do people do things like that? Say things like that?
The FiveSeven pistol shoots a 40 grain bullet at 2100 fps. The Keltec pistol shoots a lighter bullet slower - many .22 mag bullets are at 30 grains and maybe 2200 fps from a rifle /others are at 40 grains and 1900 fps from a rifle - and the Keltec pistol is at least couple of hundred fps slower than the rifle velocity.
The comparison of the 5.7 pistol to the .22 magnum rifle is a common criticism. It is, however, a criticism that I find benign. There is something to be said for being able to put the equivalent of a .22 magnum rifle in your pocket.
Mine is sporting goods, an easy to carry and very accurate field gun.
Pete

 

[Zerodefect]

He shot 42 and 29 lived. Nearly 70% of the people he shot did not die. Doesn't sound very deadly to me

That's about the average for criminal shootings. 70% of victims live. And those aren't allways rushed group targets of opportunity shoots.

It's when you get to the good guys shooting .40 and .45 that you start to see an improvement.

 

[Zerodefect]

From a ballistics standpoint, no. But the actual wound channels are very, very similar. Except for a couple of botique loads, the 5.7 from the pistol is still too slow to achieve the wounding mechanisms of high velocity rifle cartridges. Even those custom loads that achieve 2,300-2,400 are still too slow, when one considers that the 5.56mm is considered inadequate once it's velocity drops to ~2,500 FPS, because the small projectiles don't create that large of a cavity and rely heavily on yaw and tumble.

So while the 5.7 does achieve higher velocities, it's not enough of an increase to make the round more terminally effective. It's only real advantage is better soft armor defeating capabilities than the WMR.

If you have the right 5.56 ammo, it'll do fine at 2500 fps in a CQB situation. It may have poor balistics at range, but that's not what were talking about.

I can vouch that the 5.7 out of a FN P90 10-16" barrel is equal to a 9mm HK Mp5. I haven't fully tested the pistol yet.

 

[usp9]

The FN 5.7 is a very well made pistol, and has it's place. Except for the fireball, it has exceptional qualities for a HD pistol. Some ill-informed folks try to equate it to the .22 magnum, but of course it isn't. The gun is a blast to shoot. The price was a little steep, yes, but the qualities of the gun will grow on you I predict.

 

[Father_of_10]

I went to the range yesterday and put about 100 rounds through my 5.7. I started at ten yards and got the sights adjusted perfectly, then went to fifty yards. It was putting holes in the target every time at fifty yards. It was easy to shoot, not heavy and recoil is not an issue. Then I ran a few mags through my FNP-45, which is 45 that I find fairly easy to shoot, but compared to the 5.7 it seemed like a lot of work!