FOLLOW THE YELLOWBRICK ROAD - aka the NAFTA Super Highway

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he's too busy for reality, too busy to protect the borders

Bush declines to meet with border officials
Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
San Bernardino County Sun
President Bush has refused to meet with border law-enforcement officials from Texas for a second time. His response to their request came in the form of a letter Monday, angering both lawmakers and sheriffs.

In fact, some Republican members of the House, upset by what they call the administration's seeming lack of concern for border security, are preparing to hold investigative hearings in San Diego and Laredo, Texas, early next month.

Members of the House Subcommittee on International Terrorism and Nonproliferation hope to expose serious security flaws that could potentially lead to terrorist attacks in the country, said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who is a member of the panel and has pushed for the hearings.

"The next terrorist is not going to come in through (Transportation Security Administration) screening at Kennedy airport," Poe said. "We already have information that people from the Middle East have come through the border from Mexico. They assimilate in Mexico learning to speak Spanish and adopt customs and then they cross the border into the United States."

Poe requested the meeting for members of the Southwestern Sheriffs' Border Coalition a group that includes all 26 border-county sheriffs from California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas. The sheriffs wanted to speak to the president about the increasing dangers in their communities and along the border.

"The president is the busiest man in the world but he needs to take the time to talk to the border sheriffs and learn what's happening in the real world from them," Poe said. "We can't understand why he refuses to meet with them."

In May, all of the Republican House members from Texas traveled to Washington to meet the president regarding border security. Bush did not meet with them, however, and former White House spokesman Scott McClellan was sent in his stead.

Poe said the White House letter dated Monday showed the disconnect between the administration and the American people who want the border secured.

"The president would appreciate the opportunity to visit with border sheriffs," said the White House letter written by La Rhonda M. Houston, deputy director of the Office of Appointments and Scheduling. "Regrettably, it will not be possible for us to arrange such a meeting. I know that you understand with the tremendous demands of the president's time, he must often miss special opportunities, as is the case this time."

Rick Glancey, spokesman for the sheriffs coalition, said its members are angry and disappointed in the president's response. Glancey said Bush's recent tour of the border with Border Patrol spokesmen did not reflect the reality of what locals live with every day.

"It's a slap in the face to the hardworking men and women on the front lines of rural America who every day engage in border-security issues," Glancey said. "He missed the opportunity to take off his White House cowboy boots and put some real cowboy boots on and walk in our shoes for a few minutes."

The border hearings will expose the truth to the American public and force the administration to take a serious look at the border, said Allan Knapp, Poe's legislative director.

Knapp and Poe have traveled twice to the border this year, spending time along barren stretches where they witnessed no security and numerous migrants crossing into the United States, they said.

"We need to expose the lack of border security before it is too late," Poe said. "We're fighting a war on terror in Iraq and we're winning, but we're losing our own border war. These hearings will be a necessary step in the right direction."

Andy Ramirez, chairman of the Chino-based Friends of the Border Patrol, said he has been called to testify before the panel in San Diego. Ramirez said he has turned in two years of Border Patrol documents and memos, which he will discuss before the committee.

"The president has basically pushed his whole administration's agenda toward the war on terror, yet he can't find the time to meet with law-enforcement leaders responsible for border security," Ramirez said. "It is appalling and outrageous that the war on terror and border security does not extend to the U.S. border."
 
Longeyes, what you say in the starting post cannot possibly be true, because (a) we are a representative republic, and (b) the American people were never given an opportunity to evaluate such a proposal and contact their representatives to tell them whether or not they wish such a thing to be authorized. Therefore, (c) by the irrestistable force of Aristotelian logic, you are making the whole thing up. Nice try, though.
 
Well, I don't live in Texas, I do read a lot, and, yeah, the full scope of this is news to me. I'll bet it would be news to 95 per cent (or more) of the American people. We can ascribe some of that to the American people not being interested but not all of it. This story, given its importance, should be the lead piece on MSM broadcasts--but where is it? It's in an on-line journal, where else?

Let me get this straight: my political representatives don't have to apprize me of something of this magnitude, with its obvious repercussions?

And wouldn't it be loverly if our representatives really paid attention to what we said and acted accordingly? What has people incensed of late is their growing realization that Congress thinks it doesn't have to listen any more. I think the recent behavior of our Senate in the illegal immigration hijinx underscores that pretty clearly. Bush himself, with his statements implying a divine right to ignore both general input and criticism, also qualifies.
Absolutely! The fix is obviously in on this thing. As someone here said, we are being "planned around." Isn't it obvious that decision makers in the msm are in on this deception of the American people, or is our moderator suggesting that it would not be news worthy?

I like to think I follow national events pretty closely, but when I first heard mention of this stuff last month on this site, I assumed it was untrue because (a) I had not heard it anywhere else, and (b) it just seems impossible for something that big to be in the works and for me not to have heard about it on the msm. Only now am I beginning to actually believe it's true, and I have yet to hear or read about it in the msm.
 
"Every normal man must, at times, be tempted to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats."

H.L. Menken
 
Okay ... I have some technical questions for Art Eatman and anyone else who thinks this is just "progress"

Let's say this all comes about, a "corridor" from Mexico to Canada, with a "Port of Entry" at Kansas City. So then...

1) How is the access to this corridor going to be controlled? We are in effect going to be adding about 4000 miles (both sides) to our already porous national borders.

2) How are the foreign trucks going to be fueled, and the drivers sustenanced along the way? Are they going to build truck stops only for the use of corridor traffic, or do the foreign trucks just exit and and use normal services? If so, then what keeps them from exiting and just not getting back on the corridor? If there are special corridor truck stops, then where are the people to run those services going to come from - commuting from nearby towns in the "USA" ....? Whose going to run all those checkpoints?

3) What's going to keep a foreign truck from stopping alongside the hiway at night and off-loading a bunch of illegal immigrants to scatter about the countryside?

4) Is there going to be any kind of physical barrier between the corridor and the land on both sides? (remember we don't even have a fence on most of the existing Mexican border)

5) How is normal traffic going to be kept from using the corridor hiway?

:confused:
 
progress?

What this whole project is a "syringe" into a main artery of our body politic. It will further our addictions to cheap Asian consumer goods and cheap Mexican labor. It will keep Americans--or, rather, North Americans--well-sedated with creature comforts as their nation is dismembered by outsiders.

It's called a corridor but all the travel seems to one-way: INTO the United States. Where is the entrepreneurial traffic INTO MEXICO?

We are a fat sow being fed off by any foreign state that can find the right American politicians to pimp for them.
 
I don't recall I've ever even intimated that the deal is no more than "just progress". What I've said is that our existing transportation systems are already overloaded in some areas.

However:

"1) How is the access to this corridor going to be controlled? We are in effect going to be adding about 4000 miles (both sides) to our already porous national borders."

At the borders? I'd have to think we're gonna have the same sort of Port of Entry as now. Just more people working there.

"2) How are the foreign trucks going to be fueled, and the drivers sustenanced along the way? Are they going to build truck stops only for the use of corridor traffic, or do the foreign trucks just exit and and use normal services? If so, then what keeps them from exiting and just not getting back on the corridor? If there are special corridor truck stops, then where are the people to run those services going to come from - commuting from nearby towns in the "USA" ....? Whose going to run all those checkpoints?"

I dunno who's really thought that far ahead. It seems logical that all trucks will do in a corridor what they do now on the various highways they travel. We have long-haul trucks from Mexico, now. Checkpoints? Why? They've been approved at the border by US Customs, and meet US standards for safety.

"3) What's going to keep a foreign truck from stopping alongside the hiway at night and off-loading a bunch of illegal immigrants to scatter about the countryside?"

Same as now.

"4) Is there going to be any kind of physical barrier between the corridor and the land on both sides? (remember we don't even have a fence on most of the existing Mexican border)"

I don't know, beyond the usual barbed-wire fence. Nor do I know why there should be.

"5) How is normal traffic going to be kept from using the corridor hiway?"

Since it's all been described as "toll road", I guess you or I can cruise along just like anybody else.

Art
 
Waitone,

The nasco website is not the only "North American" corridor that is planned.
The other is an expansion of I-69 that will run from the Mexico-Texas border
to the Michigan-Canadian border.

Here is the TX portion:

http://www.i69texas.org/

However, this project is calling for a brand new stretch to be constructed
through IN:

http://www.i69indyevn.org/index.html

There is no highway there and there are a lot of people in south central
IN who feel they weren't properly represented when it came to making
this decision to basically declare eminent domain across a number of
counties and small towns and then tax them a few billion $'s to build it!

The toll road that runs across northern IN was leased to a multinational
corp from Spain and Australia. This toll road already exists, but again
there was some concern about leasing the property to a foreign entity
for 75 years. The money from this deal has already been spent in
advance for various projects over the next 10 years. Of course, this
leaves nothing for future generations.

Ironically, the Congressional representative for the northern part of IN was in
Spain recently on other business.....I'll see if he's a consultant for the
toll road after he leaves office.
 
At the borders? I'd have to think we're gonna have the same sort of Port of Entry as now. Just more people working there.
My understanding from earlier in the thread was that the Mexican trucks would just breeze across the border and not face any POE until KC. So how do they keep the trucks from just turning off somewhere else before the POE?

Checkpoints? Why?
What I meant was - if the corridor is to be controlled access, and Americans are working at a service facility (truck stop) within that corridor, are those folks going to have to go in and out through a border type checkpoint when they commute?

#3 & #4: refer back to the issue in #1

#5: well, if it's a public toll road, then the trucks can get off where-ever anyone else can get off. Again, sort of defeats the POE in KC :rolleyes:


I just don't understand how we can have a POE over a 1000 miles in from the border, and expect to be able to enforce any sort of customs or immigration control over that? :confused:

Maybe the reason that I don't understand is that no one in the govt intends to enforce any sort of customs or immigration control over our so-called borders anymore ..... :(
 
George the Great

I guess like Peter the Great our President is going to drag us ignorant peons kicking and screaming into a brave new age. I imagine he'll be shaving our beards next. Only foolish heathens would resist the New World Order.

If a project like this had popular support it wouldn't have to be sprung on us. They know very well that explaining something like this, at this time in our history, would far exceed the combined intellectual powers of luminaries like Bush, Rove, and Snow.
 
If a project like this had popular support it wouldn't have to be sprung on us. They know very well that explaining something like this, at this time in our history, would far exceed the combined intellectual powers of luminaries like Bush, Rove, and Snow.

Rove is far from stupid, how else would you explain Bush's success? He obviously didn't get where he is using his mental acuity.
 
Managing the career of a puppet prince, with the aid of rich and powerful allies, doesn't require the cold genius of a Machiavelli, just someone with animal cunning and an empty space where some of us keep our morality. A fairly run-of-the-mill courtier and intriguer in other words who confuses demography with democracy. Rove's one goal as W. political nursemaid has been been to get George elected. Bravo, Karl. Some of us have more profound visions of America than as the private plaything of the Bush dynasty.
 
I see Michael Savage is featuring this story on his website. Well, that's ten million pairs of ears. A beginning.


I used to think Savage was an entertaining nutcase, now I realize that I was simply an entertained fool.
 
TRH said:
Isn't it obvious that decision makers in the msm are in on this deception of the American people, or is our moderator suggesting that it would not be news worthy?

For a group that continually expresses such skepticism about government, I'm shocked that so many of you are shocked to learn that it didn't deliver reports to your door on what it was doing or that the MSM didn't adequately inform you. Just like any other citizen, it is your responsibility to be informed.

As far as not knowing about it:
Here is the July 2002 Summary of the plan
The 2004 Press Release on the plan
The current website
The old TXDOT website
Press statements from Governor Perry announcing his plans to implement this from 2002-2005

And for those non-Texans amongst us:
Free Republic discussion from April 2005
Wall Street Journal article from this April on TTC (reprinted in Portsmouth Herald
New York Times story from April 2005
Los Angeles Times from January 2006
Washington Post from February 2005
National Public Radio from May 2005

So given that, how would you improve coverage by MSM and government to the point that it satisfied you?
 
Well, we're getting there, Boss, we're getting there.

But since when is it the responsibility of the Government to spread disinformation?

*******

Like Savage or no, he's got listeners. And this story needs dissemination regardless of the sower.
 
Uh, guys? I haven't heard about this on any of the mainstream media either. However, it's definitely not a great, big, hush-hush secret. Do a google search on Nafta superhighway. Count the hits. Look at the dates. There are citizen groups both pro and con. Environmentalists against it.

There are plenty of regular people who know about this and have joined organizations for and against. Apparently there's people paying closer attention.
 
Well, it's good to know the peasants are rising. I can see that anyone who is in the swath of The New World Expressway might have strong views about this, especially if you are a toad beneath the harrow.

The fact that something of this magnitude in terms of construction and with such palpable political repercussions has so far been off the radar screens of Mainstream Media is, well, perplexing and rather curious. I'm sure the significance hasn't been lost on the bright minds that work the news like a pretzel machine.
 
For a group that continually expresses such skepticism about government, I'm shocked that so many of you are shocked to learn that it didn't deliver reports to your door on what it was doing or that the MSM didn't adequately inform you. Just like any other citizen, it is your responsibility to be informed.

I agree to a certain extent in that people have the choice to read the
Federal Register or watch the Simpsons in their free time. However,
this is the system in place as what we now have it: people can show up
at the public interest meetings when this or that is being proposed
and speak their minds (or write letters to their elected reps). After all
is said and done, it really doesn't matter what the people want if those
in charge feel "it's for our own good" anyway. They go ahead with the
projects anyway, and, yes, most of the time if they're in an ELECTED
position, they get voted out. If they're at the federal level they get a
new job as a highly paid "consultant." If they're an unelected government
employee or NGO, they continue to make their recommendations and perform
their functions unabated as the new cycle of elected reps show up. After
all, they are still performing under the rules as established by the out-going
crowd.

The cycle repeats itself as the new reps learn there will be good so-called
private sector "consultant" jobs for them after they leave office. Likewise,
the direct hire state and federal beaurocrats can leave government service
and work for the same companies they once had to regulate. The money
buys them out over the interests of We The People. Incestuous? Yes, and
this is the system that has inbred itself deformed stupid offspring that can't
function properly in the social envrionment. They're blind, aggressive, and
selfish and therefore take advantage of their passive peers.
 
For a group that continually expresses such skepticism about government, I'm shocked that so many of you are shocked to learn that it didn't deliver reports to your door on what it was doing or that the MSM didn't adequately inform you. Just like any other citizen, it is your responsibility to be informed.

The Feds are very good at getting out there what they want to get out there. The mainstream media are very good at barraging us with what they consider important. Draw your own conclusions. We should not have to "dig" to get information about something like this, it should have been and should be front-page news. That it isn't leads us to certain obvious conclusions. Is it "paranoid" to think information critical to our national future is being deliberately withheld or buried? Empathically not. I don't recall a single mainstream story discussing the "totalization" schemes designed to put Mexico on the U.S. dole. I think this is something the American people would want to know about and, more importantly, have a say about.

The general feeling today in America is one of distrust and disconnection. And rightly so. Right now the American people are trying to figure out the proper response to an awkward situation.
 
The money
buys them out over the interests of We The People. Incestuous? Yes, and
this is the system that has inbred itself deformed stupid offspring that can't
function properly in the social envrionment. They're blind, aggressive, and
selfish and therefore take advantage of their passive peers.

Possible we are attempting to be as corrupt in our government as Mexico.:(
 
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