Zundfolge
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Until you have one come stay the weekend with you and you have to figure out what to feed the darn thing
For a vegetarian pacifist, firing a gun was a changing experience
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Freedspeak
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I know some vegans, we tell them BYOF, (your visiting us, we are not reponsiblle for your food) vegitarians aren't as unreasonable. :banghead:
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Hmm, interesting the "selective logic"...
... and relative rationalization that some individuals use.
IIRC there is a little thing called the Carbon Cycle that tends to dominate herbivores, carnivores and omnivores all, to a greater or lesser degree. Unless you ingest and digest/absorb your nutrients directly from the minerals of the earth, the air you breathe or directly from the sun, then you have to have consumed something that had to have been alive at one time or another. The outlook of the consumer is only a relative moral platitude. I've got no problem with another's outlook on their personal consumptive habits regarding food, just so long as they do not attempt to "force feed" their designs/desires upon the rest of us as a whole.
Uh-oh, RANT mode was left engaged for a little too long today!
Well, I hope the best comes from her experience.
... and relative rationalization that some individuals use.
IIRC there is a little thing called the Carbon Cycle that tends to dominate herbivores, carnivores and omnivores all, to a greater or lesser degree. Unless you ingest and digest/absorb your nutrients directly from the minerals of the earth, the air you breathe or directly from the sun, then you have to have consumed something that had to have been alive at one time or another. The outlook of the consumer is only a relative moral platitude. I've got no problem with another's outlook on their personal consumptive habits regarding food, just so long as they do not attempt to "force feed" their designs/desires upon the rest of us as a whole.
Uh-oh, RANT mode was left engaged for a little too long today!
Well, I hope the best comes from her experience.
LoneStranger
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Tallpine;
Someone who has realized the primary rule for Humans!
If it moves, Kill It!
If it stands still, Eat It!
Someone who has realized the primary rule for Humans!
If it moves, Kill It!
If it stands still, Eat It!
Shweboner
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Well at least she's taken the first step. Slowly but surely she'll come around.
I emailed her and reccomended that she pursue the firearms thing, and that if she needed assistance in that, to stop by THR and see that gun people are nice
~Brian
I emailed her and reccomended that she pursue the firearms thing, and that if she needed assistance in that, to stop by THR and see that gun people are nice
~Brian
general
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Is that really how some women feel re:bad old guns. If its bad it must be dirty also?
Gun=Bad=Dirty=Erotic?
I don't know. I won't speculate.
I recently took my girlfriend to the range for the first time....didn't notice any marked change in her except "the grin"!
Hope she does stop in for a visit, then decides to stick around with those who share her new interest in firearms!
I got vegans in the family, I just love to needle them. The way I see it, when you till the earth to plant your garden you're gonna kill worms, moles, etc. Then you're gonna kill bugs that eat your plants and such. What's the difference between a bug and a cow? Unless of course you ascribe to the Jain sect of Hinduism, at which point you don't even till the earth for fear of harming a living creature. Those guys would be more popular if they had enough food in them to sustain the energy to go door to door and walk around airports.
Back OT, why's a veggie need guns. Obviously in her twisted view of the world the campus stalker really isn't bad, just misunderstood. Peace and love can cure the worlds problem, why have a gun? Maybe she just wants it for spring brussel sprout season.
If God(or your preferred deity here____) had wanted us to eat only vegetables he woulda put our eyes on the side of our heads and given us all that mindless sheeple outlook that some now possess.
Back OT, why's a veggie need guns. Obviously in her twisted view of the world the campus stalker really isn't bad, just misunderstood. Peace and love can cure the worlds problem, why have a gun? Maybe she just wants it for spring brussel sprout season.
If God(or your preferred deity here____) had wanted us to eat only vegetables he woulda put our eyes on the side of our heads and given us all that mindless sheeple outlook that some now possess.
Kaylee
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I'd not go that far. After all, she *was* talking about gouging out the eyes of a potential attacker. Sure, it ain't as effective as a 9mm JHP, but ya gotta start somewhere, right?
I look at it this way -- she took a step that's no doubt difficult for her, especially considering her upbringing and likely her social circle. Knocking her is the LAST thing we should do.. rather, encourage her. Remember Miss Demeanors? And WyldOne?
Jeez guys... this kinda cliquish snobbery is what DRIVES OFF a lot of women and others from "the gun culture." We need all the help we can get here folks.. unless that is ya'll WANT the MMM to keep getting members thinking we're all Neadrathal rednecks that is.
Let's at least try and welcome aboard the ones that take their own time and money to challenge their upbringings, eh?
-K
Okiecruffler
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OKay, time for me to stand up and defend my brethren
There are many vegetarians in the world, such as myself, who simply oppose unneeded cruelty to animals. The most vocal and public of these are those who are at the far extreme of the spectrum. (think of the bubbas that the media pulls out from under rocks when they want to show "gun enthusist") They are the fruitcakes from PETA who get off on throwing paint at fur coat wearing super models. Once again, the extremists. There are many more like myself who just want the animals to be threated well. And before the flame throwers come out, I'm not some pot smoking hippy who read an article about cosmetic testing once. My first degree was in livestock and agricultural science. I've seen the commercial meat farms, I know how they can afford to sell you your chicken at 90cents a pound. I actually stopped eating commercial meat 3 years before I stopped hunting. Never could understand those anti-hunters who stopped by McD's on their way to their meetings. Sorry, a little long, but I've been attacked more often for being a vegetarian than I have for being a gun owner. I've never told anyone what they should or shouldn't eat, I believe to each their own in all aspects of life, but that doesn't keep people from giving me their opinion of what a shmuck I am for my beliefs.
As far as the writer goes, anytime someone in the media says "hey, guns aren't demonicly possessed machines of death" I applaud. She's still no vegetarian tho'
There are many vegetarians in the world, such as myself, who simply oppose unneeded cruelty to animals. The most vocal and public of these are those who are at the far extreme of the spectrum. (think of the bubbas that the media pulls out from under rocks when they want to show "gun enthusist") They are the fruitcakes from PETA who get off on throwing paint at fur coat wearing super models. Once again, the extremists. There are many more like myself who just want the animals to be threated well. And before the flame throwers come out, I'm not some pot smoking hippy who read an article about cosmetic testing once. My first degree was in livestock and agricultural science. I've seen the commercial meat farms, I know how they can afford to sell you your chicken at 90cents a pound. I actually stopped eating commercial meat 3 years before I stopped hunting. Never could understand those anti-hunters who stopped by McD's on their way to their meetings. Sorry, a little long, but I've been attacked more often for being a vegetarian than I have for being a gun owner. I've never told anyone what they should or shouldn't eat, I believe to each their own in all aspects of life, but that doesn't keep people from giving me their opinion of what a shmuck I am for my beliefs.
As far as the writer goes, anytime someone in the media says "hey, guns aren't demonicly possessed machines of death" I applaud. She's still no vegetarian tho'
I agree, I'm just having fun, my main problem with the vegans is they screw up the grill with their grilled ****take mushrooms and that makes my steak taste funny.
The viewpoints are not mutually exclusive, I eat meat like mad but know for a fact I care more about animals than the whackjobs down the street at PETA. You get a little hardened living in such close quarters with such fruitcakes.
P.S. lady, don't eat the golden snow.
The viewpoints are not mutually exclusive, I eat meat like mad but know for a fact I care more about animals than the whackjobs down the street at PETA. You get a little hardened living in such close quarters with such fruitcakes.
P.S. lady, don't eat the golden snow.
rick458
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I dont think I know anybody, who purposely hurts or injures animals, granted some of the stock ranches etc.. could do a little better for the animals.
but as for the hunting , The last deer I shot was happily eating lunch one second and was ready for skinning the next. as it collapsed I thought to myself I should be so lucky as to die that way.
but as for the hunting , The last deer I shot was happily eating lunch one second and was ready for skinning the next. as it collapsed I thought to myself I should be so lucky as to die that way.
Sheslinger
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She'll come around. At least she is trying.
Shoeless, I know exactly what you're saying - I have only been shooting for a couple of years but I never felt like the gun I was shooting was going to jump out of my hand and go on a killing rampage. However, we do have a friend who nearly fainted a couple of times we had guns nearby.
All kinds of people out there, but we certainly should encourage the ones who are trying to discover for themselves what all the myths and the hype are about.
Sheslinger
Shoeless, I know exactly what you're saying - I have only been shooting for a couple of years but I never felt like the gun I was shooting was going to jump out of my hand and go on a killing rampage. However, we do have a friend who nearly fainted a couple of times we had guns nearby.
All kinds of people out there, but we certainly should encourage the ones who are trying to discover for themselves what all the myths and the hype are about.
Sheslinger
Bergeron
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I'm curious as to when she visited Barney's. Considering that she was from the media, they might have had a one-on-one complementary session with her, but if she visited on Wensday night, Ladies Night, she should have gotten free everything to shoot along with many other women.
I was present for part of the first Ladies Night since the NRA grant was refunded, and there were two ladies who were identified to me as being from the local campus paper, the Vermillion. I haven't seen an article on it yet, but hope prevails.
Also, about that "golden shower of brass", I find Barney's to be the cleanest, most professional, and nicest indoor range in Louisiana that I have experienced.
If they really wanted to experince new things in the world of guns, a rental MP5 would have made for an eye-poping experince.
I find it curious that someone who is a pacifist and vegan would seem to feel that an intrest in guns would be not in keeping with those beliefs. Shooting, pure shooting, need never involve hunting if one does not wish to kill an animal, and I have never used a firearm in any kind of violent scenario, nor do I wish to. Also, despite having guns very suitable for self-defense, self defense has not yet been a motivating concern for my any of my gun purchases. My most pleasureable and relaxing shooting experience came from shooting my mom's Smith 41 and seeing just how small of a group I could make offhand at ~15 yards. Nothing died, and no violence was present.
If the author does visit this board, and would like to continue shooting, I would like to invite her to send me a personal message. I'm always on the lookout for people to go to the shooting range with.
I was present for part of the first Ladies Night since the NRA grant was refunded, and there were two ladies who were identified to me as being from the local campus paper, the Vermillion. I haven't seen an article on it yet, but hope prevails.
Also, about that "golden shower of brass", I find Barney's to be the cleanest, most professional, and nicest indoor range in Louisiana that I have experienced.
If they really wanted to experince new things in the world of guns, a rental MP5 would have made for an eye-poping experince.
I find it curious that someone who is a pacifist and vegan would seem to feel that an intrest in guns would be not in keeping with those beliefs. Shooting, pure shooting, need never involve hunting if one does not wish to kill an animal, and I have never used a firearm in any kind of violent scenario, nor do I wish to. Also, despite having guns very suitable for self-defense, self defense has not yet been a motivating concern for my any of my gun purchases. My most pleasureable and relaxing shooting experience came from shooting my mom's Smith 41 and seeing just how small of a group I could make offhand at ~15 yards. Nothing died, and no violence was present.
If the author does visit this board, and would like to continue shooting, I would like to invite her to send me a personal message. I'm always on the lookout for people to go to the shooting range with.
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