For Everybody Who Complains About the HK P7 Series Getting Too Hot......

[cslinger]

Go to the range and run 50 to 100 fast rounds of .38+P or .357 through a small snubby and tell me that doesn't get damn hot as well.

I have been doing some snubby shooting lately to make sure I am still up to speed with my primary carry gun and I am always amazed at how hot that little M60 can get, easily as hot as my P7s I would say. Still not super uncomfortable to shoot but then again when I am shooting I don't pay much attention to anything but the target.

Just food for thought.

Chris

 

[P95Carry]

Chris - indeed the platform really doesn't matter - any gun with enough thruput will of necessity get hot.

I have had my SP-101 too hot to touch after an enthusiastic session - just with straight 38's!

Shows a lotta love tho eh - when the temp gets that hot!

 

[Seraph]

I figure you'd be hard pressed to find a guy whose weapon will be too hot to handle before he's expended his carry load.

 

[pete f]

And what does this apply to?

Guns get hot, I have had a 10/22 so hot the plastic on the magazine was getting soft. melted the grease out of a AR, had a beretta stick itself to a plastic back i dump empties into. ALl guns get hot, All of them if you dump enough rounds through them. Snubbies get hotter faster than some others because of mass. the less mass to heat up, the faster you begin to feel the mass. but then what is the theory behind just dumping rounds in a snubbie anyway?
What are you trying to accomplish doing that?
training for what?
if you are just having fun fine, but it does not do the gun any favors.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

A small snubbie??? My Tracker 627 gets so hot that you can burn yourself on it. Though it does help me speed up reloads.

 

[buzz_knox]

The issue isn't whether guns get hot, but how fast. For people who carry and train with P7s, it's a real concern.

 

[cslinger]

The issue isn't whether guns get hot, but how fast. For people who carry and train with P7s, it's a real concern.

True but what I was trying to illustrate is that I was shooting the revolver about as fast as I do the P7 with the same round counts and the revolver got just as uncomfortable as either of my P7s. People tend to really complain about the P7 heat build up but it is no worse then a small snub in my opinion.

I was not shooting just to shoot so fast to make noise and make the gun hot this was under normal fast but aimed fire.

It's just an observation really.

 

[orionengnr]

For Everybody Who Complains About the HK P7 Series Getting Too Hot

If you can afford a P7, you can afford another range toy. Take turns firing them. Problem solved.

For real world use, the P7 is a fantastic pistol. For carry use, if you ever fire enough rounds to get it hot, that is the least of your worries.

 

[mete]

If your P7 is too hot for you send it to me I'll give it a good home !! It must be the way you hold it becasue I've never had a problem in the many IPSC matches I've used them in.

 

[cslinger]

Let me make it perfectly clear that MY P7s are just fine for me. I have never been bothered by the heat and I have put a couple hundred rounds in a session before. I was just making an observation based on the various threads or discussion about P7s and their heat build up.

I am keeping my P7s thank you very much.

 

[c_yeager]

I think the point that the OP is making is that other guns get just as hot as the P7, but noone complains about them. I think this is because people LIKE to complain about expensive guns, but noone listens to gripes about $300 snubbies.

I have never shot a P7 so i cant make the comparison, but i have managed to burn myself on the frame a snubbie within only about 150 rounds fired REALLY fast.

 

[Billy Sparks]

Let me preface this that I own several snubs and 3 P7. Altough a snubbie get just as hot as a P7 the barrel is further away from your hand so you don't notice it. Now with the P7's your hand is closer to the hot area. I doin't know if any of that made any sense but I tried.

 

[buzz_knox]

It made sense. What people are forgetting is that you want to train with what you carry. So, if you carry a P7, you can easily expend far more than your usual carry load in the matter of minutes. The thing starts to get sizzling then.

P7s are great for carry. For training, some allowances have to be made, such as a spare P7, gloves, or even bandages, which I saw one shooter use to get through LFI-2 with a PSP and that's actually a low round count course.

 

[SnubbyMan]

Even my S&W 686 gets pretty hot (too hot to hold) after slow-firing 150 rounds of American Eagle 158 gr. .38 Special. In fact, it feels hotter than some of my K-frames firing the same amount of ammo (or more). Not sure why that is.

 

[C. H. Luke]

Have two P7's that have usaed in 400 rnd. one-day Handgun Clinic's, IDPA, other local Matches & training, etc.

Own idea of a personal training session is not to go out and blast off as may rounds as possible in X number of hours for "bragging rights", etc.

Use a Crummy Glock for most competition shooting, presently and certainly not going to shoot it untill it's to hot to comfortably handle or re-holster, etc. either.

At our local Gun Club's Rifle Range, "Big City" types flock there on Saturday's with AR's hung with $1K ACOG's vertical forend grips and monkey-see, monkey-buy Bling-Bling.
They dbl.-tap, tripple-tap, volley fire, grossly overheat their "Match" barrel's while the rest of the regulars NEVER let their bbl's over-heat and are content to wait until their rifle should be fired again.

So... what's really the big fuss? Either one is a "Shooter" or just a "gun-Owner"?

Now about that guy with the AR pistol, who just walked up with the chest sling, and wants to shoot right next to you, standing, and rap off full, back-to-back, 30 round "clips".....

 

[buzz_knox]

Own idea of a personal training session is not to go out and blast off as may rounds as possible in X number of hours for "bragging rights", etc.

My training sessions involve hammers and double taps, speed/tac reloads, etc. That ends up with a lot of rounds fired in a relatively short amount of time. That's one of the reasons I use weapons other than P7s.

As for letting your barrel cool between shots, I do that as well when I'm at the range. If I'm at a course, I shoot at the pace required by the drill. That means that a lot of time, my barrel will be sizzling. Hopefully, I'm training like I would fight, and that doesn't usually involve waiting for the barrel to cool. It'll have time to cool when I'm reloading, switching from one target to the other, or assessing the situation.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

My solution to the P7 heat problem.

Get enough of them to rotate. By the time I am done shooting the 3rd one, the first has cooled off. Works very well!

 

[Dr. J Frame]

For real world use, the P7 is a fantastic pistol. For carry use, if you ever fire enough rounds to get it hot, that is the least of your worries.

Exactly!

I have only fired a P7 once. It was 2 mags through the owner of www.stubbygear.com's personal carry.
It seemed about as hot as any autoloader with that amount of rounds through it.

 

[buzz_knox]

Peter, that solution has resulted in an HK buddy of mine having 4 M13s and 3 (soon to be 4) PSPs.

 

[HighVelocity]

4 cylinders of 357 mag (28 rounds) though my SW 386 PD fired at a moderate rate will get the gun so hot that you literally cannot touch the cylinder. Not only does it get insanely hot, it stays hot for a pretty long time.

 

[Dr. J Frame]

I just found this on the "Unofficial H&K P7 webpage"-

Q: Why does my P7 get so hot during prolonged shooting?
A: Sorry, they just do, the gas cylinder gets very hot. This is why the P7 family (vs. the PSP) has a heat shield above the trigger.

 

[sgt127]

Am I the only one who has ever dumped cool water on a stainless gun during a shooting session? Dunno where you guys are from, but, in August, in Texas, just leaving the dang gun laying in the sun gets it hot enough so that you can't touch it....Along with steering wheels...seat belt buckles etc...etc...

 

[C. H. Luke]

P7's get to hot to shoot? Sure!

P7's not worth owning as get to hot to shoot?

Small price to pay for a superlative pistol, IMB!

 

[buzz_knox]

Never said they weren't worth owning. I've owned four, 2 P7M13s and 2 PSPs. They are gone (or soon to be gone) because they don't work for me.

The M13 is one of the best weapons made and I regretted the fact that it and I did not get along well enough to make it my carry weapon.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Even long guns get hot. Alternately shooting my Savage 10FP .308 and Marlin 336 30-30 this weekend, both barrels were too hot to touch. The heavy barrel Savage takes a looonng time to cool down.