One pull of the shotgun trigger puts 9 .35 caliber holes in an attacker. Unless your carbine has a full-auto switch it only makes one hole.
Inside a house both options require the same degree of aim. Why would I not choose the one that makes more holes and is easier in my ears?
It's nine distinct wound channels with nine different opportunities to hit a major blood vessel or nerve bundle. The fact they are only a couple of inches apart doesn't change that, even if we're just talking about a bad hit on an extremity. And the 12 gauge buckshot load has 200-300 more pounds of kinetic energy than the average 55 grain .23 load, even more if the carbine is a 9mm or 30 US carbine roundActually inside a house the shotgun is not going to spread appreciably, so you are not putting 9 holes in, but rather one large hole. Now if your shotgun is a 12 gauge with 00 buck that hole is going to be far more grievous than a 5.56 NATO, but it is one hole essentially, and thus poor placement would be an issue just as it would be with a carbine. Now if your carbine is something like 30-06 then it might be a different story.
One point -- a wall is TWO sheets of drywall. So a shot that penetrates one sheet of drywall but not the second will not penetrate a normal wall.Some tests from a reliable source. https://www.theboxotruth.com/threads/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls.310/
30 years ago I killed an average sized whitetail doe and while skinning/butchering her I discovered a mass of birdshot pellets in her neck barely beneath the skin and not even down to the vertebrae. The pellet density was pretty high, indicating she had been shot from fairly close range before they had a chance to spread. There was no obvious wound and she appeared to have fully recovered with no noticeable impairment.a shotgun with #8 or 7.5 reduces the possibility of collateral damage.
Agreed. But I still wish they had tried Hornady V-Max 35 or 40 grain bullets. Those bullets usually disintegrate when hitting a groundhog or prairie dog, and also on impact with the ground.a shotgun with #8 or 7.5 reduces the possibility of collateral damage.
Not liking that a person died. But that different bird shot sizes are very different in penetration.There are more than a few different birdshot rounds than #8 shot . A coworker of mine got a call one night while we were working , telling her that her brother was killed while turkey hunting .
It's nine distinct wound channels with nine different opportunities to hit a major blood vessel or nerve bundle. The fact they are only a couple of inches apart doesn't change that, even if we're just talking about a bad hit on an extremity. And the 12 gauge buckshot load has 200-300 more pounds of kinetic energy than the average 55 grain .23 load, even more if the carbine is a 9mm or 30 US carbine round
Who has a 30-06 home defense carbine? Tanker Garand? That doesn't seem like a common thing to me.
Have you ever patterned your shotgun at close range? I have, and at 10 feet you can see individual holes with mine. And that’s before they start diverging in tissue. A single bullet only has one wound track unless it fractures. That’s one of the reasons why buckshot is so effective as a fight stopper.They are not going to be "a couple inches apart" at home defense distances. There is going to be basically no pattern entropy at all. Not 9 wound channels, one wound channel. And the point is it is not 9 distinct opportunities, it is one opportunity to either hit the target or not. If you miss the target you miss with all 9, if you hit you hit with all 9, no different than a bullet.
I am not questioning its effectiveness on target, but the notion that the separate projectiles is significant at home defense range is simply wrong.
Neither...........The handgun. Be it revolver or semi-auto......Lots more handy than a long gun.
Have you ever patterned your shotgun at close range? I have, and at 10 feet you can see individual holes with mine. And that’s before they start diverging in tissue. A single bullet only has one wound track unless it fractures. That’s one of the reasons why buckshot is so effective as a fight stopper.
Edit: scroll down to the bottom of the page and look at the wound track of 00 buck in ballistic gel. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/
At no point did I ever ever claim increased hit probability. You’re arguing with a strawman. I said both require the same degree of aim, and since they do I will choose the one with greater incapacitation potential.Ballistic gel is gel, not a realistic target.
10 feet is going to be an optimistic range for most home defense purposes. Look at the fellow above, at 7 yards (21 feet, or twice the distance you could expect to be) there is essentially one hole in the target.
At 3-10 feet, which is a reasonable range for home defense shootings, you are looking at a "pattern" about 1 inch in diameter unless you have a sawed off gun. That is not going to improve your hit probability relative to a rifle.
So we are back to the effectiveness, which is based on velocity and mass. So 12 Gauge 00 buck is going to be more effective than 5.56. Once we start talking 30-06, the comparison is a bit more even.