Former German cabinet minister claims US mounted 9-11 attacks

[Preacherman]

From the Telegraph, London (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...nb17.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/17/ixworld.html):

Germans lap up claim that US plotted Sept 11

By Kate Connolly in Bonn
(Filed: 17/10/2003)

A former cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of anti-Americanism in Germany with a book arguing that the US government mounted the Sept 11 attacks as part of a plot to win global domination.

Andreas von Bülow has gone even further than Michael Meacher, Britain's former environment minister, who claims the US knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.

Von Bülow, 66, believes that Sept 11 was staged to justify the subsequent wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

The German government has made no official response to the book, although ministers have tried to distance themselves from his views.

But von Bülow's ideas are very popular and polls show a fifth of Germans believe Washington ordered the attacks.

The CIA and September 11, written mainly from internet research, is a besteller, with sales of more than 100,000.

 

[4570Rick]

Rules of conduct prevent me from saying what I'd like.

 

[Parker Dean]

Von Bülow, 66, believes that Sept 11 was staged to justify the subsequent wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

Oh yeah?

Well, if that's the case then I'm sure we can come up with something so we can invade Germany if we want...

 

[Destructo6]

The CIA and September 11, written mainly from internet research, is a besteller, with sales of more than 100,000.

Hmmn, not surprising.

 

[Bill Hook]

This guy can find a job in the current Malaysian govt.

 

[trooper]

Oh well... we have our share of nutcases, too.
I supppose there IS a reason why he is a FORMER cabinet minister


Regards,

Trooper

 

[feedthehogs]

What do you want from a nation that followed a mass murderer with delusions of world conquest.

 

[Mark Tyson]

 

[BerettaNut92]

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

I'd like to nominate two from New York and one from California

 

[Hutch]

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

"Since what you say is wrong, you ought to have your butt kicked up around your neck, giving you another set of shoulders", Hutch said.

For gawdsakes, what's the incentive to kill thousands of our own, causing [saganvoice] billions and billions [/saganvoice] in damages, so that we can then go shed blood in Outer Perturbia, and spend billions and billions? Hmmmm??? I wonder if he is one o' them Holocaust-deniers, too?

 

[Mike Irwin]

Well, isn't this statement interesting...

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," he says.

IF?

He's making these sorts of allegations and he's saying IF?


"For gawdsakes, what's the incentive to kill thousands of our own, causing [saganvoice] billions and billions [/saganvoice] in damages,"

Hutch,

That's a concept that isn't foreign to Germans at all... They had no problems killing upwards 1 million German Jews in the 1930s and 1940s, plus 5 million others from Europe...

 

[trooper]

What do you want from a nation that followed a mass murderer with delusions of world conquest.

That's a concept that isn't foreign to Germans at all... They had no problems killing upwards 1 million German Jews in the 1930s and 1940s, plus 5 million others from Europe...

I don't think that this crap about the US gov being behind the 9/11 attacks is "typical German thinking." There have been stupid conspiracy theories all over the world regarding this issue.

Nutjobs who view America as the root of all evil believe the US administration is capable of just about anything, no matter where they're from.


Regards,

Trooper

 

[Mike Irwin]

I didn't say "typical German thinking."

I said it's a concept that isn't foreign to Germans. The German people know about the Holocaust.

The Japanese also killed millions, but given how repressed the facts of Japanese agression during WW II are, it's something that your average Japanese citizen doens't have much knowledge of.

In that light alone, I think it's easier for Germans to accept the concept of a legitimate government orchestrating the murders of thousands of its own people.

 

[trooper]

I understand your point but given the fact that WWII and the Holocaust have been so thoroughly researched, discussed, studied, taught and made into countless movies and books all over the world I don't think that the concept of a government murdering its own citizens for some sinistre reasons is terribly alien to anybody who has even the least interest in 20th century history.

That said, I personally don't know anybody who doubts that 9/11 was solely orchestrated by islamofascists with ties to wealthy Arabic rulers. Even my freaked-out leftist commie brother is that sensible.

That disgruntled paranoid ex-civil servant doesn't equal German public opinion any more than, say, the John Birch Society makes America's.


Regards,

Trooper

 

[Mike Irwin]

"That disgruntled paranoid ex-civil servant doesn't equal German public opinion any more than, say, the John Birch Society makes America's."

No, certainly doesn't. But it also doesn't come close to explaining the rise, and acceptance of, a disgruntled ex Imperial German Army Corporal.

"I don't think that the concept of a government murdering its own citizens for some sinistre reasons is terribly alien to anybody who has even the least interest in 20th century history."

I think it's a LOT more foreign to someone who lives in a nation where it's never happened on a scale such as that.

 

[Dave R]

Just wanted to point out that some AMERICAN lawmakers have implied the same charges a little more softly.

Not surprising that a goodly number of anti-Americans might believe it.

 

[Mike Irwin]

Dave,

Who are the lawmakers who have accused the Administration of orchestrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'd be very interested in hearing their proof, too.

 

[BerettaNut92]

Prominent, Outrageous = Airtime = Controvery = $$$$$$$$$$$$$

edited: err... €€€€€€€€€€€€€

 

[trooper]

Mike -

well, a lot smarter people than me have written tons of books on this subject, but if you combine a broken-down, humiliated people with a horrible economic situation, unstable domestic politics and an eloquent, charismatic person who promises to make everything better, restore this particular people's dignity AND present a scapegoat, what do you expect? People are collectively stupid and will always be.

Mind you, I'm not trying to find excuses for what happened. My people have disgraced themselves in a horrible way back then and dished out a world of hurt and humiliation to the victims. I certainly won't argue about that. But I'm pretty sure that, given the above mentioned circumstances, it could happen again to any people. Maybe right now the memories still are too fresh in most people's mind, but this was neither the first nor the last ethnic cleansing in this world. Cruelty, hatred and racial bigotry are not specific German traits.

I don't want to make this a rant, but I'm a bit tired of all those little allegations. I'm not willing to carry this holocaust stigma because of my nationality.

Regards,

Trooper

 

[mercedesrules]

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTACKS

 

[TarpleyG]

You know, I went over to that site and read a bit. If our wonderful government were half that coordinated, we'd really be up **** creek without a paddle. "Git your tin foil here!"

GT

 

[Mark Tyson]

Most countries have committed or allowed horrific acts to take place at some time in their history, including the US. We had the eugenics movement, slavery and the mistreatment of the Indians to name a few. Nobody's society is immune from the crimes of governments or vigilante mobs or what have you.

As for "the truth about 9-11" according to that site mercedes posted, all I have to say is:



"I'm not crazy ... I'm just so SANE it blew your mind!"

 

[45R]

Read the second quote on my signature line.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

I guess now we know whether the shiny side goes in or out...

 

[mercedesrules]

(Mark Tyson)Most countries have committed or allowed horrific acts to take place at some time in their history, including the US. We had the eugenics movement, slavery and the mistreatment of the Indians

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