Found an interesting website

[Roundeyesamurai]

Don't bother trying to reason with that other guy. He loves to chop up peoples statements and then attack them instead of looking at the entire statement.

Yes, I LOOOOOOOVE to chop up LIARS.

Incidentally, the "$73" figure is quite obviously made up, as can be determined by anyone who is familiar with the rule of fairy-tale numbers. I won't discuss that rule here, as I wouldn't want to make you a better liar (and good luck finding it on Google).

OH, and for the record, I used to date a Portland Police Bureau officer.

 

[bogie]

My advice is that everyone's different, and you should buy whatever works for you. Ergonomically.

If it points right from the git-go, aiming becomes significantly easier. It's still an issue - it's just a confirmation instead of a process.

 

[Lou629]

TO EACH HIS OWN...

There will never be argeement as to which gun is better, whether it's a Glock or ( insert your favorite make here ) it's a matter of what "feels" right to one guy vs. another, both in the hand and in the wallet. In my own case i went with the feel of the hand, and bought a Browning, even though my wallet took more of a beating. My best friend ( who has the kind of money to be able to buy anything he wants btw ) owns a Glock, which he likes very much. I personally don't care for it, but it's HIS gun, 'yaknow? Boiled down, if HE'S happy with it, why should it matter to anyone else?

 

[f4t9r]

you are right , that is interesting

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

There will never be argeement as to which gun is better, whether it's a Glock or ( insert your favorite make here ) it's a matter of what "feels" right to one guy vs. another, both in the hand and in the wallet. In my own case i went with the feel of the hand, and bought a Browning, even though my wallet took more of a beating. My best friend ( who has the kind of money to be able to buy anything he wants btw ) owns a Glock, which he likes very much. I personally don't care for it, but it's HIS gun, 'yaknow? Boiled down, if HE'S happy with it, why should it matter to anyone else?

SSSHHHHH.....no shouting.
Must be nice to be able to afford whatever you want like your buddy. I have to go through that terrible "justification" stage every time I am in the gun shop wanting to make a purchase. I am sure alot of us know what I am talking about.

 

[xsnydx]

fairy tale numbers

Incidentally, the "$73" figure is quite obviously made up, as can be determined by anyone who is familiar with the rule of fairy-tale numbers. I won't discuss that rule here, as I wouldn't want to make you a better liar (and good luck finding it on Google).

Well, this got some of my interest so I Googled it...and it was on the first page of searches...thanks for the luck I guess...Seriously though, I can see how the $73 is making you think this way...just some fuel for the fire...

Here is a small discussion from this site:
http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/boardarchives/2003/jan2003/numbersinft.html

In biblical passages there is plenty of reference and recurrence of the number theme. The numbers 3 & 7 are divine numbers ie. 3 great feasts, the threefold blessing, the trinity, the three hours of prayer, the thrid heaven, and on the third day he rose again from the dead, etc. The numbers of greatest significance are 3,4, 7, 10 and 12. A friend of mine pulled up a huge excerpt on the significance of numbers in the bible which was compiled on biblesoft. Very interesting reading.

I find it interesting that many of these same numbers, especially 3 & 7 have a high degree of correlation to many fairytales.

 

[Owen]

$73 could be reasonable after Glock pays them $200 for traded in pistols...

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

$73 could be reasonable after Glock pays them $200 for traded in pistols...

*sigh*

Glock never paid police departments for traded-in pistols.

1) Glock took possession of a department's revolvers.
2) Glock gave the department an equal number of new Glock pistols.
3) Glock sold the old revolvers to dealers.
4) Glock kept the money from the revolvers sale as compensation for the Glock pistols.

Glock did this for a VERY brief period of time. Perhaps a few dozen departments got this deal.

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

xsnydx, you're close to what I was getting at, very close.

 

[Owen]

so Glock gives no credit for trade ins?

 

[Tom Servo]

These opinions sound like they came from someone whose sole "experience" base consists of:

a) NRA membership;
b) Gun rag "information";
c) Action movies;
d) Gunshop commando "information";
e) Internet forum "information".

Yeah, like there's any OTHER sources of experience I don't know about?

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

figuring production cost....

FYI---Here is a formula we use in the furniture world to figure production cost. Cost of production is usually equal to wholesale price multiplied by .40 (furniture is one of the highest cost to wholesale ratios out there because of the price of exotic woods)...in jewelry I think it is wholesale price multiplied by .15
I am not sure where firearms would fall in there but it could be higher or lower than either of these numbers. If we could find that number this would be easy.
Some reports (CNN's moneyline is where I saw it I believe) have stated that the average automobile that costs $20,000 has an average raw production cost of $4000 ( I doubt this includes labor)
If we just figured raw materials a Glock would be what...$2 worth of plastic and $5 of steel at most? (And that is probably a high estimate since they buy in such quantities, it could be figured by the weight) We would then just have to know the amount of labor and marketing costs since the molding and machining process probably pays for itself early on in a series run and would not add that much once averaged out over the entire run. You have to remember that wholesale price has too include enough to pay workers, buy machinery, maintain machinery, fund pensions, pay for marketing, etc and still make a profit so the fat cats gettheir money. So cost is always well below wholesale.

 

[Dannyboy]

*sigh*

Glock never paid police departments for traded-in pistols.

1) Glock took possession of a department's revolvers.
2) Glock gave the department an equal number of new Glock pistols.
3) Glock sold the old revolvers to dealers.
4) Glock kept the money from the revolvers sale as compensation for the Glock pistols.

Glock did this for a VERY brief period of time. Perhaps a few dozen departments got this deal.

Any why should we believe you? Because you say you talked to the people at Glock and they said so? You're the one calling him a liar. Prove he's lying. It doesn't work to just say you were told by Glock. Show us some proof that they don't charge $73.

Wait, you believe the guy because of his claim to have seen an invoice?
Oh BTW- I have a 13" penis. I wrote about it on Literotica, so it MUST be true (by your logic).

Since you've shown no proof, that must be by your logic as well.
Here's a tip. Lighten up and try not to be so rude. It's just bad form.

I, personally, don't like Glocks. Too blocky, don't feel right, and just plain ugly. I also don't really care what they charge cops.

 

[Braden]

I wouldn't pay "Chris" much attention. Anyone who doesn't like Glocks should simply be ignored and dismissed as ignorant.

 

[Owen]

The material cost relative to the overall cost of the slide and barrel is pretty low.

For US manufacture ( I do this for a living, by the way):

$35 for the barrel and $55 for the slide would be remarkably low but possible. The finished frame is probably about $12-$15, because the steel inserts are labor intensive. I figure another $30 -$40 bucks or so for small parts and springs. Magazines should be around $10 (considering there is an entire steel magazine under the plastic). So $145 would be about right. A standard markup for the firearms industry (50%) would get the gun up to $210 - $250. So far it seems like the numbers being tossed around are ok.

I know that S&W usually works through a local distributor, and I am presuming that Glock would do likewise. Pissing off distributors is bad mojo.

I know that police departments are often offered a deal for their old guns, to reduce the bite of purchasing new guns, and to reduce the hassle of getting rid of the old ones. If the distributor or Glock is offering reasonable prices for the old guns, the price could easily get down into the $70 range. Why is believing this such a problem?

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

Any why should we believe you? Because you say you talked to the people at Glock and they said so? You're the one calling him a liar. Prove he's lying. It doesn't work to just say you were told by Glock. Show us some proof that they don't charge $73.

Since you've shown no proof, that must be by your logic as well.

I've given a way to prove it- contact Glock.

Anyone can get the same information by contacting them. I'm not claiming to have information that can't be disproven. I'm not claiming to have a "special" source.

Give them a call or email them, and you'll get the same answer.

 

[waterhouse]

I'll just chime in to say that the dealer cost from 2 major wholesalers on glocks is in the $440 range. This is the cost from wholesalers, not direct from Glock or a "prefered dealer" program, which I am sure cuts a good chunk off the price.

As to the original post . . .well, I can appreciate the guy's love of the P7, and to his credit he starts off by saying that it is all his opinion, but I clicked on his "glock" link and he seems to blame the glock for cops putting their finger on the trigger and then "having the gun go off." I do think a glock is more likely to have a "accidental" [negligent] discharge than some other guns, but I'll never blame the gun because someone couldn't keep their finger out of the trigger guard.

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

I'll just chime in to say that the dealer cost from 2 major wholesalers on glocks is in the $440 range. This is the cost from wholesalers, not direct from Glock or a "prefered dealer" program, which I am sure cuts a good chunk off the price.

Badda-bing.

Glock's wholesale cost, without taxes, is about $250.

When Glock pays the taxes on the firearm (imported for commercial sale, as opposed to imported for government sale), and the cost of shipping the gun to a distributor, the cost goes up to about $300.

The distributor will put their own markup on it, typically about $50-$80, and then add the cost of shipping to the dealer, so the dealer's cost is about $360-$400.

Add on the dealer's markup and sales tax (if applicable), and you get the retail cost (MSRP).

As to the original post . . .well, I can appreciate the guy's love of the P7, and to his credit he starts off by saying that it is all his opinion, but I clicked on his "glock" link and he seems to blame the glock for cops putting their finger on the trigger and then "having the gun go off." I do think a glock is more likely to have a "accidental" [negligent] discharge than some other guns, but I'll never blame the gun because someone couldn't keep their finger out of the trigger guard.

See, now here is a good example of a constructive criticism, folks. And it's spot-on, too.

 

[johnnymenudo]

I think it is interesting that someone made an outrageous assertion, that many of us, from our experience, would think total BS, and some of us are being asked to prove him wrong. WHht happened to the concept of proving yourself right? Police departments do get a price break over the public in quantity, and individual officers get a price break over the public, but not as much as the department bulk pricing. Even so, $73 for a Glock is nonsense.

JM

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

I think it is interesting that someone made an outrageous assertion, that many of us, from our experience, would think total BS, and some of us are being asked to prove him wrong. WHht happened to the concept of proving yourself right? Police departments do get a price break over the public in quantity, and individual officers get a price break over the public, but not as much as the department bulk pricing. Even so, $73 for a Glock is nonsense.

JM

+1

 

[TrybalRage]

I love my Glock. I love the way it looks, I love the way it feels in my hand, and I love the way it feels on my hip.

So there

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

I love my Glock. I love the way it looks, I love the way it feels in my hand, and I love the way it feels on my hip.

So there

Cool, it all comes down to what we like. Especially when there is probably very little that seperates alot of the firearms out there except for looks and feel when you are in a certain price range. Who knows...if I owned one myself instead of just shooting someone else's and relying on other people's opinions I may get to love it. Of course relying on the opinions of some THR members has led me to purchase some items I never would have on my own that I really enjoy owning now. I used to dislike the look of the "cowboyish" type Rugers but I bought the .44mag Single action Blackhawk Hunter on the recommendation of a THR member and I really love it. I feel pretty much the same way about the Walther P99 but a friend of mine is really trying to get me to buy one. Mostly so he can borrow it at the range I bet. He loves the Glocks and the P99 because he can add a laser site and get that "space gun" look that he so dearly loves.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

Consider this. Playboy Penguin at least stated that he's a relative newbie. Roundeye, on the other hand has pontificated at length, but without stating what his experience is, except for being able to dial a telephone.

900F

 

[Roundeyesamurai]

Fella's;

Consider this. Playboy Penguin at least stated that he's a relative newbie. Roundeye, on the other hand has pontificated at length, but without stating what his experience is, except for being able to dial a telephone.

900F

My "qualifications"? Well, my "qualification" to call BS on something that doesn't sound right, is a comprehension of basic business practices, math, the ability to make logical connections between known facts, and the ability to dial a telephone and ensure that I know what I'm talking about.

Aside from that, I'm a retired police officer.

How about you?

 

[joab]

I've given a way to prove it- contact Glock.

Doesn't work that way
We're not here to do your homework, if you can disprove the information that he was given do so
Penguin made a statement and provided what source he could and also CLEARLY stated that this was second hand info.
Roundeye has simply called him a liar and resorted to uncalled for personal attacks.