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Fred Thompson on the Parker case.

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May 10, 2007 8:04 PM

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By Fred Thompson

If you care about constitutional law, and everybody should, the big news is that it looks as if the Supreme Court is going to hear a Second Amendment case some time next year. The event that sparked this legal fuse was a case brought by six D.C. residents who simply wanted functional firearms in their homes for self-defense. In response, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit struck down the District’s 31-year-old gun ban — one of the strictest in the nation.

Our individual right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, may finally be confirmed by the high Court; but this means that we’re going to see increasing pressure on the Supreme Court from anti-gun rights activists who want the Constitution reinterpreted to fit their prejudices. The New York Times has already fired the first broadside.

A few days ago, the Gray Lady published a fascinating account of the case — fascinating but fundamentally flawed. In it, the central argument about the Second Amendment is pretty accurately described. Specifically, it is between those who see it as an individual right versus those who see it as a collective states’ right having more to do with the National Guard than the people.

Unfortunately, the article falsely portrays the individual-right argument as some new interpretation held only by a few fringe theorists. The truth is very different, as civil-rights attorney and gun-law expert Don Kates has pointed out recently.

From the enactment of the Bill of Rights in 1791 until the 20th century, no one seriously argued that the Second Amendment dealt with anything but an individual right — along with all other nine original amendments. Kates writes that not one court or commentator denied it was a right of individual gun owners until the last century. Judges and commentators in the 18th and 19th century routinely described the Second Amendment as a right of individuals. And they expressly compared it to the other rights such as speech, religion, and jury trial.

The Times has simply replayed theories invented by the 20th-century gun-control movement. Their painting of the individual-right interpretation as a minority view is equally fanciful.

Kates writes that, “Over 120 law review articles have addressed the Second Amendment since 1980. The overwhelming majority affirm that it guarantees a right of individual gun owners. That is why the individual right view is called the ‘standard model’ view by supporters and opponents alike. With virtually no exceptions, the few articles to the contrary have been written by gun control advocates, mostly by people in the pay of the anti-gun lobby.”

Kates goes further, writing that “a very substantial proportion” of the articles supporting individual gun rights are by scholars who would have been happy to find evidence that guns could be banned. When guns were outlawed in D.C., crime and murder rates skyrocketed. Still, the sentiment exists and must be countered with facts. All of this highlights why it is so important to appoint judges who understand that their job is to interpret the law, as enacted by will of the people, rather than make it up as they go along.

We need this guy!
 
What is Fred Thompson's position on the Federal Reserve?
 
Gosh, we need him. Anyone who wrights articles about the Second Amendment right before running is okay by me. ;-)
 
Fred Thompson continues to come across as a heavyweight when it comes to the important issues. Makes the ex NY mayor look like a real liberal.
Run Fred Run.
 
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much until he announces. I think he will pretty much clean house once he decides to run.

I personally am not thrilled by his internationalist leanings, but he is no worse than the other candidates, most of whom might as well be hoisting the hammer and sickle over the white house and singing the Internationale if they win.

I also dont know his views on immigration yet, but they can't be any worse than Bush's.

In short, he is the least broken of the candidates. Ron Paul still has potential, but again, I'm not getting my hopes up unless he starts making double digit poll numbers.
 
I check the headlines first thing every morning anticipating his anouncement.
I heard a rumor that he has to wait until the current season of Law & Order runs out. I think it ends the end of this month or early next month.

I can't find any confirmation of this and never heard it mentioned anywhere else.
 
He is a centrist. Just because we have become accustomed to the collectivist point of view being in the forefront, we are glad to see someone who at least is not so much a communist.

But if you are looking for freedom, support of individual rights, and limited government you will get much more of what you want from Ron Paul. Fred Thompson will support your being ripped off by the money printing, interest collecting Federal Reserve monopoly. He will do little to reduce the overall size of government, so you will be fleeced by the tax system as you now are. Government takes your wealth either by tax or by inflation, so he would continue that. I don't think Thompson is any friend of mine.
 
LoverOfLiberty said,
Gosh, we need him. Anyone who wrights articles about the Second Amendment right before running is okay by me.
I have seen lot of politicians paying lip service to the 2nd amendment.
I have seen little action, other than more restrictions.
 
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I haer a lot of politicians paying lip service to the 2nd amendment.
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If you think that the above article, and others written by Fred Thompson, are equivalent to the usual politicians' lip service to gun owners, then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Yes, it is common for even virulent anti gun creatures like Hilary and Kerry to say things like "I support the Second Ammendment rights of hunters and target shooters, but there should be licensing and registration and bans on assault weapons."

None of those folks ever come out with anything like what Fred has written above. None of them wrote a publically distributed article after the Virgina Tech shootings saying that restrictions on CCW on that campus contributed to the carnage and that an armed student or teacher might have been able to intervene.

Fred may not be perfect, but he has made stronger public statements supporting RKBA than any realistically viable presidential candidate in my lifetime.
 
I heard a rumor that he has to wait until the current season of Law & Order runs out. I think it ends the end of this month or early next month.


This may have a lot to his officially declaring. Those of us old enough to remember there were no old Ronald Reagan movies shown after he was running in 1980 until he was elected. Same thing happened in the 84 campaign. I think it has something to do with "equal time" provisions, even though you're only showing the candidate in a movie or TV show. This may be a decision made by the entertainment lawyers and not law.
 
We need this guy!

You bet we do. However, as one poster above said his internationalism is something I wish he did not share. I am a strong believer that nothing good will come out of globalization. Otherwise, he is pretty solid on most issues, 2 amendment included.
 
None of those folks ever come out with anything like what Fred has written above. None of them wrote a publically distributed article after the Virgina Tech shootings saying that restrictions on CCW on that campus contributed to the carnage and that an armed student or teacher might have been able to intervene.
The whole time the Republicans were in power, with a majority nothing was done. A Republican sponsored a bill that got NO cosponsors.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst031207.htm
The DC Gun Ban

March 12, 2007
Last Friday a federal appeals court in Washington DC issued a ruling that hopefully will result in the restoration of 2nd Amendment rights in the nation's capital. It appears the Court rejected the District of Columbia 's nonsensical argument that the 2nd Amendment confers only a "collective right," something gun control advocates have asserted for years.

Of course we should not have too much faith in our federal courts to protect gun rights, considering they routinely rubber stamp egregious violations of the 1 st, 4th, and 5th Amendments, and allow Congress to legislate wildly outside the bounds of its enumerated powers. Furthermore, the DC case will be appealed to the Supreme Court with no guarantees. But it is very important nonetheless for a federal court only one step below the highest court in the land to recognize that gun rights adhere to the American people, not to government-sanctioned groups. Rights, by definition, are individual. "Group rights" is an oxymoron.

Can anyone seriously contend that the Founders, who had just expelled their British rulers mostly by use of light arms, did not want the individual farmer, blacksmith, or merchant to be armed? Those individuals would have been killed or imprisoned by the King's soldiers if they had relied on a federal armed force to protect them.

In the 1700s, militias were local groups made up of ordinary citizens. They were not under federal control! As a practical matter, many of them were barely under the control of colonial or state authorities. When the 2nd Amendment speaks of a "well-regulated militia," it means local groups of individuals operating to protect their own families, homes, and communities. They regulated themselves because it was necessary and in their own interest to do so.

The Founders themselves wrote in the Federalist papers about the need for individuals to be armed. In fact, James Madison argued in Federalist paper 46 that common citizens should be armed to guard against the threat posed by the newly proposed standing federal army.

Today, gun control makes people demonstrably less safe-- as any honest examination of criminal statistics reveals. In his book "More Guns, Less Crime," scholar John Lott demolishes the myth that gun control reduces crime. On the contrary, Lott shows that cities with strict gun control--like Washington DC--experience higher rates of murder and violent crime. It is no coincidence that violent crime flourishes in the nation's capital, where the individual's right to defend himself has been most severely curtailed.

Understand that residents of DC can be convicted of a felony and put in prison simply for having a gun in their home, even if they live in a very dangerous neighborhood. The DC gun ban is no joke, and the legal challenges to the ban are not simply academic exercises. People's lives and safety are at stake.

Gun control historically serves as a gateway to tyranny. Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control. Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other right. This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical government.
Gun Control on the Back Burner

November 6, 2006 http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst110606.htm
 
The point of the post was to show that he is a stand up guy in the 2A, liked the Parker decision, and he thinks it's going to the SCOTUS.

I don't give Bush alot of credit, but his SCOTUS picks were definately good for the 2A. And this decision could be the biggest ever. Oops now I'm getting off topic.
 
When was the last time that any politician running for a high seat commented on a possible Supreme Court decision, and thereby let his/her views on the matter be public?

Thompson has been so open about his views on various issues, including Parker, that he's sending the clearest message about where he stands than any candidate I can recall.

Thompson's article about the Parker case is as clear a signal about his views on the Second Amendment as I've ever seen. And he knows full well that this article will be used against him.

What more do people want?
 
I prefer Ron Paul, and I plan to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

However, I suspect that Paul won't get the nomination of the GOP (I dunno, just a hunch :)), and if I *had* to have a second choice within the GOP rather than the Libertarian party (for which I'd rather vote), so far it's Thompson.

There are plenty of things I'd like to know more about his stances on (tax reform, Fedl Reserve, international adventures with the military, etc), but most of what I've seen so far is good, and his views on guns as I understand them are enough to make him attractive.

timothy
 
The Parker case is pivotal. I am glad that Fred Thompson took the time to write a comprehensive opinion on it. When the DC circuit first ruled, I was on here saying that we must ask every single candidate to comment on this. It is a perfect way to judge their true 2nd ammendment feelings. I am now waiting for the others to comment.
The Federal Reserve notwithstanding, we now know how Fred stands. Besides, this is a gun forum, not a monetary policy one.
 
pcosmar:

I am trying to figure out where you are coming from here.

First, you seemed to be saying that Fred Thompson's opinion article above is meaningless, because you have heard many politicians in the past pay lip service to RKBA then turn around and vote for gun control laws.

I replied, in essence, that Thompson's written opinions sound very different to me than the usual "closet anti" lip service.

You then reply with an opinion piece by Ron Paul, expressing much the same sentiments that Fred Thompson expressed in his opinion above.

What exactly is your point?

That Paul is also just paying lip service to RKBA? That these opinions written by Paul and Thompson are unreliable and don't really reflect what they will do in office?
 
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