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Nope, only one. Reindeer are called bulls and cows, not bucks and does.
Frog lube failed miserably
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Seal One-very similar to Frog-has been fine in all eight of my handguns.
Never had any issue.
I’ve never used Frog, and I never seem to shoot in sub-freezing temps, as they are rare here.
The possibility that Seal might one day—when I’m too old or unhealthy to use these guns—gum up the action —in much Colder weather—in any of my guns, has me open to the idea of switching back to Breakfree and Mobil One.
My VZ-58 and AKs luckily still have these two compounds .
Never had any issue.
I’ve never used Frog, and I never seem to shoot in sub-freezing temps, as they are rare here.
The possibility that Seal might one day—when I’m too old or unhealthy to use these guns—gum up the action —in much Colder weather—in any of my guns, has me open to the idea of switching back to Breakfree and Mobil One.
My VZ-58 and AKs luckily still have these two compounds .
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stchman
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Another shining example that boutique lubes and cleaners aren't worth it at all.
I was told in my apprenticeship by some journeymen, that in days of yore, animal fats (lard) was used as a cutting lubricate. Have some bacon and machine away.
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I was told in my apprenticeship by some journeymen, that in days of yore, animal fats (lard) was used as a cutting lubricate. Have some bacon and machine away.
Would make for a fat machinist, once one is done eating the bacon to make the cutting oil; one then gets hungry for bacon whilst working. It's a viscous cycle.
Jesse Heywood
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My real-life result with FL.
If you find something that works and is affordable just stick with it. Chasing very small returns is a fools game.
Pro Shot 1-Step CLP (About all I use on Poly Guns)
Shooter's Choice FP-10 (For guns that run wet like 1911s)
TW25B Grease (For guns that need it)
Plenty of other stuff that will work but I got a good supply of that at an auction.
Pro Shot 1-Step CLP (About all I use on Poly Guns)
Shooter's Choice FP-10 (For guns that run wet like 1911s)
TW25B Grease (For guns that need it)
Plenty of other stuff that will work but I got a good supply of that at an auction.
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Bill460
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Frog Lube is a good example of a, "miracle lube / additive" scam..... Only for guns instead of cars. Go to any chain auto parts store and find the oil additive isle. You'll get dizzy looking at all of them there are so many. And pretty much all of them are completely worthless as far as delivering on what they promise. "Longer Engine Life", "Better Performance". "Greater Fuel Economy". And all the rest of the B.S. they print on the bottle.
Now, go to Midway USA and punch in, "firearm lubricants and greases". You'll experience the same dizziness.... Along with the same worthlessness if you waste your money purchasing most any of them. The biggest difference is many of these gun lubricants like Frog Lube, can actually cause problems that are counter productive to your guns operation. In the case of Frog Lube, this amounts to it gumming up actions. And in many cases becoming a sticky, gooey mess. And it's all unnecessary.
Where as the pint of automotive miracle additive isn't going to do anything better for your engine, than the pint of standard motor oil it's replacing. It's just going to end up costing you additional money for basically nothing. It really won't hurt anything.
Automotive motor oil keeps improving, because the demands placed on it by modern engines keep increasing. A modern 360-395 H.P. 5.7 HEMI V-8 with Variable Valve Timing and a Multi Displacement System is far more demanding of it's lubricant, than the first Ford V-8 Clyde Barrow drove Bonnie Parker around in.
But a new 1911 Springfield auto pistol requires the same basic lubrication it did after John Browning first introduced it 109 years ago. And remember, guns don't run at 210F and at 4,000 RPM. If you cycle an auto pistol 300 times between cleanings and a relube job, that amounts to a lot of shooting at the range. Not to mention 300 rounds of ammunition is expensive. Your cars crankshaft turns 300 revolutions before it comes off high idle, and you start backing it out of the garage.
Point being guns are really easy to keep lubricated. And it really isn't going to matter what kind of oil you use on them. With your new car, it's very important to only use what the manufacturer recommends. Your warranty could very well depend on it. Your gun?...... It's really not going to matter either way.
Now, go to Midway USA and punch in, "firearm lubricants and greases". You'll experience the same dizziness.... Along with the same worthlessness if you waste your money purchasing most any of them. The biggest difference is many of these gun lubricants like Frog Lube, can actually cause problems that are counter productive to your guns operation. In the case of Frog Lube, this amounts to it gumming up actions. And in many cases becoming a sticky, gooey mess. And it's all unnecessary.
Where as the pint of automotive miracle additive isn't going to do anything better for your engine, than the pint of standard motor oil it's replacing. It's just going to end up costing you additional money for basically nothing. It really won't hurt anything.
Automotive motor oil keeps improving, because the demands placed on it by modern engines keep increasing. A modern 360-395 H.P. 5.7 HEMI V-8 with Variable Valve Timing and a Multi Displacement System is far more demanding of it's lubricant, than the first Ford V-8 Clyde Barrow drove Bonnie Parker around in.
But a new 1911 Springfield auto pistol requires the same basic lubrication it did after John Browning first introduced it 109 years ago. And remember, guns don't run at 210F and at 4,000 RPM. If you cycle an auto pistol 300 times between cleanings and a relube job, that amounts to a lot of shooting at the range. Not to mention 300 rounds of ammunition is expensive. Your cars crankshaft turns 300 revolutions before it comes off high idle, and you start backing it out of the garage.
Point being guns are really easy to keep lubricated. And it really isn't going to matter what kind of oil you use on them. With your new car, it's very important to only use what the manufacturer recommends. Your warranty could very well depend on it. Your gun?...... It's really not going to matter either way.
Calculating even infinitesimal increases in projected automobile fuel economy for CAFE purposes also has been driving the evolution of automobile engine oils currently, for quite some time, and into the likely foreseeable future. Those small calculated improvements are very important in calculating a fleet CAFE average fuel efficiency.
Early model modern Hemi engines specified 0W-40 motor oil. Then it changed to 0W-20 motor oil (I don't recall exactly when). And the same Hemi engine with variable displacement technology in my half ton Ram that has 0W-20 specified seems curious when the three quarter ton Ram of thevsame model year has 5W-30 specified (I don't think the engine in that three quarter ton truck had varianle dusplacement technology).
None of that has anyyhing to do with function of a gun oil for firearms, much like the additive package that transforms a refined base oil into a formulated sutomotive engine lubricant. But if some folks choose to use automotive engine oils as gun oils that's a free choice, and thus far I haven't seen negative reports from people who choose to do so.
Early model modern Hemi engines specified 0W-40 motor oil. Then it changed to 0W-20 motor oil (I don't recall exactly when). And the same Hemi engine with variable displacement technology in my half ton Ram that has 0W-20 specified seems curious when the three quarter ton Ram of thevsame model year has 5W-30 specified (I don't think the engine in that three quarter ton truck had varianle dusplacement technology).
None of that has anyyhing to do with function of a gun oil for firearms, much like the additive package that transforms a refined base oil into a formulated sutomotive engine lubricant. But if some folks choose to use automotive engine oils as gun oils that's a free choice, and thus far I haven't seen negative reports from people who choose to do so.
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Pretty much. Anything is better than nothing, and if kept on the gun will work. Nothing is the biggest issue I see at the range. Jammed up dirty dry filthy mess.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/best-gun-oil.801479/page-2#post-10310086
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At least the lubes have improved considerably in my lifetime. Got me when I read accounts from the Korean War (I was real young). In winter the GIs were using Ronson lighter fluid nightly to clean and lube their Garands, otherwise they wouldn't operate.
The pre-WWII & WWII Germans made a lot of strides and innovation in hydrocarbon processing. That's where coal-to-liquids technology for fuels manufacturing and formulating synthesized lubricants with improved cold flow properties went from laboratory scale to practical industrial scale.
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