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Just substitute guns for alcohol or for that matter, for tobacco. Get the picture?? Those fanatics are always busy. Are you??

Anti-Alcohol Fanatics Set Their Sights On Your Beer
by Radley Balko

December 5, 2003

Radley Balko is a policy analyst for the Cato Institute (www.cato.org) and author of the Cato study, "Back Door to Prohibition: The New War on Social Drinking."

Hold on to your barstool. The nanny statists are coming again. After considerable success with tobacco, where they've managed to restrict advertising, impose mammoth excise taxes, and strip tobacco companies of the class action defenses afforded to most every other defendant, the ''public health'' activists are now coming for your beer.


There's a rhetorical tool in the world of debate called reductio ad absurdum. You take your opponent's argument to its most extreme conclusion -- the more absurd, the better. If done right, your audience will see that the other guy's argument can be applied to achieve an end that most people would find laughable, and you'll have your opponent backpedaling.

Unfortunately, reductio arguments don't work so well anymore. That's because we live in an age that's becoming increasingly comfortable with absurdity.

Take the emerging nanny state. When the first tobacco lawsuits found their way into court, the reductio line of attack seemed a potent one. How could we hold tobacco companies liable for injuries incurred by people who chose to smoke, particularly those who took up the habit after smoking's ill effects were well-known? Doesn't the consumer assume some responsibility for his own actions? What's next, suing Coca-Cola or McDonald's for making people fat? Uh, yes.

And so now they set their sights on alcohol. Armed with a slew of junk science studies from organizations such as the Center for Science and the Public Interest, the Center for Alcohol Marketing to Youth, and Columbia University's Center for Addiction and Substance Abuse, anti-alcohol advocates are finding receptive audiences in state legislatures, Congress, and federal agencies for all sorts of nasty bills and public policy initiatives aimed at restricting your access to alcohol.

Just as they did with tobacco, they're attacking on several fronts. They want to raise taxes on alcohol, and restrict alcohol manufacturers from advertising on billboards, at sporting events or in mainstream magazines. They want to use zoning laws to limit the number of places alcohol is sold. They want to curb consumption with overly aggressive drinking and driving laws (and enforcement). And they want to force restaurants and bars to take a variety of other measures to encourage their customers -- you -- to drink less.

In the last two years, 29 states have either passed or are attempting to pass bills to increase excise taxes on alcohol. Oakland, San Diego, Baltimore and Chicago have either banned or restricted alcohol manufacturers from advertising on city billboards. Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Seattle and Albuquerque are considering similar controls.

Since 2002, more than 100 new pieces of legislation have been introduced in 31 states aimed at reducing drinking and driving. All but a handful of states have adopted the new, lower legal blood-alcohol threshold for drunken driving (0.08 on a breath test), despite studies showing that drivers aren't significantly impaired at that level, that the overwhelming majority of drunk driving fatalities occur at levels twice that high, and that drunk driving deaths have dropped by 40 percent since the early 1980s, and stabilized over the last several years.

Twenty-two states have imposed restrictions on ''happy hour'' drink specials. A spokesman for the Fairfax County police department recently defended police raids on local taverns by telling the Washington Post, ''You can't be drunk in a bar.'' In Bloomington, Ind., cops began arresting of-age college students for walking home from off-campus bars while intoxicated. When asked if he'd rather drive students home, a Bloomington cop told the Indiana Daily Student, ''Alcohol abuse is the problem, not whether or not you're going to be driving.''

Forty-four states now have laws that hold bar owners liable for any damages caused by their alcohol-consuming customers, after they leave the bar. Another 31 states apply those same liability standards to private residences. In Chicago -- a town rich with the lessons of Prohibition -- 400 of the city's 2,705 precincts are now dry, and each election adds a few more.

None of this happened by accident. A well-funded, well-organized campaign is afoot to make it as difficult to drink a beer as it is becoming to smoke a cigarette. This ''neo-prohibition'' has advocates in the news media, academia and most certainly in government. Sandy Golden, a spokesperson for the Campaign for Alcohol-Free Kids, has said, ''We're 10 to 15 years behind the tobacco people, and we want to close the gap.''

You thought it was absurd when city and state officials told you that you could no longer smoke in a bar.

Just wait until they tell you that you can't drink in one, either.

This article originally appeared in The Chicago Suntimes on December 5, 2003.



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I don't even drink and that makes me fume :(

Repeat after me, a slight against one is a slight against all. Or said by an old fogey, " We can either hang together, or hang seperately."

atek3
 
Phew, glad I live in Germany, the land of beer... :)

But it's starting over here, too. Recently the gov't decided to raise taxes on what's commonly called "alcopops" (bottled alcohol-soda mixes that have about 5% of alc.). The argument behind it was that the stuff tastes sweet and doesn't "feel" like an alcoholic beverage at all, thus luring young people into alcoholism.

One more step down the slippery slope, isn't it?


Regards,

Trooper
 
Sadly, most in this country have what's known as (wildalaska mode on) aslongasitdoesn'taffectmeitis.

If this keeps up, there will be no freedom left for anyone. This vicious cancer will kill this country, but it seems a trip to the doctor may prove more painful than the average citizen wants to endure.

So folks, do the best you can with what you have, and above all never let a chance to stand and be counted pass without standing!!
 
Internal documents from the alcohol companies mention how they were trying to wrest the youth intoxicant market back from ecstasy using sweet tasting alcoholic beverages. Bet its worked wonders for them :)

atek3
 
In Bloomington, Ind., cops began arresting of-age college students for walking home from off-campus bars while intoxicated.
Uhhh . . . unless they were falling-down drunk, how did the cops determine they WERE drunk? I mean, there's no "implied consent" law to take a breathalyzer or field sobriety test for walking down the street!
 
Twenty-two states have imposed restrictions on ''happy hour'' drink specials. A spokesman for the Fairfax County police department recently defended police raids on local taverns by telling the Washington Post, ''You can't be drunk in a bar.'' In Bloomington, Ind., cops began arresting of-age college students for walking home from off-campus bars while intoxicated. When asked if he'd rather drive students home, a Bloomington cop told the Indiana Daily Student, ''Alcohol abuse is the problem, not whether or not you're going to be driving.''

You can't be drunk in a bar? ***???? A bar is a place whose main purpose it is to serve alcohol to its patrons...

This is like saying "You can't be sick in a hospital." It says a lot that some people obviousy equal alcohol use with alcohol abuse.

BTW, how can they arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

Tell me, ist this oldfashioned American puritanism or just crazy soccer moms on the loose?


Regards,

Trooper (scratching his head and getting another cool one)
 
Justin Moore and Ben Shapperd both noted the following:

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Sadly, most in this country have what's known as (wildalaska mode on) aslongasitdoesn'taffectmeitis.
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This sounds sort of reminiscent of the tale of a protestant minister in Nazi Germany, before and perhaps during the Second World War. Readers might recall that our minister observed, "first they came for the Jews, and I was silent because I wasn't a Jew, then they came for the gypsies and I stood silent because I wasn't a gypsie ..., and when they came for me, there was nobody left to speak out".

Might have a familiar ring, mighten it?
 
From "How Much Do You Want To Keep Your Guns," by L. Neil Smith (original from: http://www.lneilsmith.com/howmuchg.html):

(I'm pretty sure this is quoting from the whole thing, which I recall being longer than the page above... but it DOES appear to be his site. Hmmm...)

"No sane human being would sacrifice the rights he personally considers precious just for the sake of imposing his own tastes or opinions on others. Yet often it seems each of us disapproves of, and wants to outlaw, some one little thing that somebody else cares about or wants.

Little things add up: with over 200,000,000 of us, split into thousands of pressure groups, all working at the same time for one kind of Prohibition or another, it's no wonder government controls ratchet tighter around our lives every day. Until now, it's been a one-way process, with everyone on every side winding up the loser -- except, of course, for politicians, bureaucrats, and lawyers."

It rings too true to me. Especially the part about lots of SIG's (Special Interest Groups, not P226's. :) ) working for some kinda of thatsevilandyoucanthaveit law.
 
No problem.

This is just another step in the planned national suicide of the USA. We are on schedule, perhaps a bit ahead of schedule.

Enjoy the ride.

rr

Then an after thought.

This might be a good thing. Without alcohol we can shoot straighter and faster, methinks.

rr
 
RAVINRAVEN OPINED THAT:
Then an after thought.

This might be a good thing. Without alcohol we can shoot straighter and faster, methinks.

:D
True...
But then so can the OTHER guy! :evil:
 
The last batch of toilet paper I got is rough and I think it's causing a rash.
Can the Center for Science and the Public Interest do a study on this?
 
Considering how much of the cost of beer or cigarettes is tax money that funds the "people" who want to outlaw beer and cigarettes it has given me a small dream.That dream is that some Monday the tobacco companies call a press conferance and declare surrender in the "war on tobacco" and,as of Friday, they will no longer sell tobacco products inside the borders of the US.....like I said,it's a dream but I wonder ........
 
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