Full Auto SKS???

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Full Auto SKS??? -- UPDATE!!! --

I found a guy online selling an SKS for about $200 over what I'd expect to pay for one retail. So I e-mailed him to find out the details, and ask why his price is high. Here's his response:

this one is full auto. email me back if still interested. thanks
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To which I replied:

"Full-Auto" is legally defined by the ATF as one pull of the trigger resulting in multiple rounds fired. "Semi-auto" is defined as one pull of the trigger resulting in one single round being fired and another round being loaded into the chamber, but not fired. Another pull of the trigger is required to fire each subsequent round. The SKS was designed as a semi-automatic firearm, not a fully automatic firearm. If yours is "full-auto" by definition of the ATF as you say, your SKS has either been illegally altered, or is malfunctioning. Either way you are in posession of an unregisterd fully-automatic firearm, and that is a felony.

Semi-auto firearms such as the SKS are perfectly legal for civilian ownership. Now having said that, are you sure that your SKS is "full-auto"? I'm not a lawyer or a cop, and what you do and own is your business as far as I'm concerned. But unless you have misspoken, I suggest you toss that thing in the Mississippi river before the goon squad gets wind of it. Just my two cents, and you can take it for what it's worth. Best of luck.
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To which he replied:

my sks has been alterd by having the sear pin messed with. i have a class c licence.you hold the trigger and it keeps shootin. it works great. i wont throw it in the river. that would be a waste.if you want it its 425 obo like i said. otherwise thanks. and yes sks's can be made full auto with a few mods.its easier on the ones with detachable clips. thanks
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Now, I know that people can own full auto firearms with certain legal loopholes being jumped through, but does this sound legit? And if so, is it legal for him to transfer ownership of it in a simple FTF transaction? This doesn't sound quite right to me.
 
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My thoughts exactly. What if he did it before 1986 and had the paperwork to prove it?
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Extremely unlikely. If it was transferrable it wouldn't be $425, that's for sure. I would not not have any more contact with the seller if I were you.
 
Interesting how I keep hearing more and more about these things all of a
sudden and the new administration hasn't even taken their seats in the
buildings yet.

Yeah, just a coincidence...
 
My thoughts exactly. What if he did it before 1986 and had the paperwork to prove it?
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It would be at least 20-30 times his asking price, probably a whole lot more.

If you're still curious, ask him for a copy of his form 4 (if he bought it as a full auto) or form 1 (if he registered and converted it to full auto himself).
 
"Run Away, Forest....Run Away!"

Ask for copies of the Form 1 or Form 4, but otherwise, make it plain you are NOT interested in violating Federal law.
 
Run.

As you do so, think very hard about forwarding those e-mails to the ATF. Yes, I know, the ATF is not always the friend of the gun owner, but if this guy did the work himself and has an illegal weapon for sale you'll be helping out the next guy that doesn't know the law, buys the weapon, and ends up in the pokey because of it.

Gun ownership carries certain responsibilities, and foremost among those is that we remain the law-abiding citizens we always claim to be. This guy, barring a Form 1 or 4 for the weapon, is not law-abiding and is not worthy of your silence, especially since he's trying to entice you to break the law.
 
He's already said he had a license,but I still wouldn't go anywhere near it,there's just too many fine Russian ,Chinese,Romanian,heck you name it SKS's out thereto be sniffing around one that the seller describes as haveing been ''messed with''.I would never,ever have any contact with the alphabet gang. It rarely turns out well for the ordinary guy.
 
If he really had a Class 3 SOT, he would have clearly stated that the gun was transfrerable on a Form 4. Plus, I agree that the price would be a lot higher.

It may be a scam or simply an idiot trying to make a buck but either way, avoid it.

Jim
 
What's a class c license?
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Truck driver... Although I am not sure how that is relavent...

Not only can you not buy it, you should turn the guy over to the ATF. Sorry to be an ars, but in cases like this you have to be careful.
 
Run far away and forget you ever spoke to him. Wether or not you choose to turn him in is up to you but I definitely wouldn't talk to him again, ever.

Oh and slightly off topic but....

What's a class c license?
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Truck driver... Although I am not sure how that is relavent...
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No sorry...You're thinking of a Class A CDL... Class C is for cars (in most states)
 
Sounds like a setup....

I agree, these have been poping up ALOT since the election.

Some believe you have an obligation to report him to the ATF.

Some would argue to tell the guy that he's committing felonies and federal offenses (manipulating the weapon and selling it). If he's just a dumb seller, you'll do him (and a potential buyer) a favor. If he's an undercover LEO - then he'll move on to try to find the next buyer.
 
I wonder if the seller is actually in the US? I believe I recall an article several years ago that in New Zealand they had a collector's class license (which they called class C) that was allowed to own full auto weapons.
 
Should Texpatriate expect to be contacted by the BATFE?:confused:
How about requests directed to THR staff/admin by the BATFE?:(

Just wondering.:eek::eek::eek:
I figure that they are reading this as we type.:uhoh:
 
What if it is a sting?

If he just ignores the guy and DOESN'T report him can the OP get in trouble?

I've never run into one of these kind of sellers, but I've often wondered what my legal obligations are if I do.

I don't want to turn in some schmuck who just doesn't understand the law (and as complicated as the law is I can see how you're average person could get it wrong).

BUT I also don't want to put myself in the position where I could be arrested for failure to report or some such thing.
 
I wonder if the seller is actually in the US? I believe I recall an article several years ago that in New Zealand they had a collector's class license (which they called class C) that was allowed to own full auto weapons.
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And that would change things how?

Its still not legal to import an NFA weapon sans import permits and demo letters, and even if you have those the end user, which can only be an SOT or government agency, can only possess it as a post-sample.
 
The guy had it posted on Craig's List of all places! Not illegal, but against Craig's List's posting policies.
 
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