Full Stock Addiction

Dave DeLaurant said:
CZ USA no longer has the necessary triggerguard available as a replacement part, but this guy offers a modification service to alter stock mags and TGs:

http://rvbprecision.com/shooting/cz-527-rifle-magazine-conversion.html
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Thanks , I'll look into that . Looks like he does good work .

Thinking about that Mannlicher - Schonauer , no wonder the likes of W.D.M. Bell and other " long-hunters " praised them so much , there really wasn't anything like them in the civilian market , besides bespoke rifles from England . Model 99 Savages weren't quite in the same power class until the 300 came out , since the 250-300 wasn't rifled to take 117 grain bullets .
 
Jim Watson said:
6.5 MS is about the same bullet weight and muzzle velocity as .30-30. You could even get .30-30 full jacket for penetration.
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The difference is in the penetration. In that 'same weight, same velocity' situation - and I'm not disputing that at all - the greater sectional density of the 6.5mm affords greater penetration. The MS bullet was also FMJ. On Elephant, Bell made brain shots.

Jim Watson said:
But ol Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell would not have been as Kewl a Character with a Winchester.
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Not sure. He was also an ace in the RAF during WW1. He was pretty Kewl.
 
Dave DeLaurant said:
I think the 1876 Centennial in .45-60 that Tom Selleck was packing in the film Crossfire Trail was quite fetching as well -- a bit shorter and lighter.

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Uberti made a run of these for the US market, but I do not know their current production status.

http://www.ubertireplicas.com/product/1876-rifle-carbine/
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Awe, Gee, Thanks! I had that gun erased from my firearm infatuation brain compartment and now it’s back! :rofl:

That is such a cool rifle! :cool:
 
codytrucker said:
Model 99 Savages weren't quite in the same power class until the 300 came out , since the 250-300 wasn't rifled to take 117 grain bullets .
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As much as I like the .303 Savage cartridge, I agree that it's not in the same class as the 6.5x54. However, Savage did make a pretty neat fullstock Model 1899 musket to equip the Montreal Home Guard.

This one sold for only $6K US in 2014:

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I've always been a fan of the full stock style. Except I have only owned one, a Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mark 3, which I sold a few years ago and now regret it. Was going to purchase a CZ-455 .22 with a full stock back when they offered one. Then they were discontinued and I haven't seen one at all, even used. Already have the heavy, fluted barrel, thumbhole model, but wanted to add a full stock model because of the "Cool Factor",. Still have a downloaded picture from the CZ web site here on the computer. Maybe some day one will turn up at a decent price. These are ultra cool, in my humble opinion. cz-usa-cz-455-fs.png
 
I like the way the full stock guns feel and shoot. I don't have experience with any full stock except the CZs pictured above, but they tend to shoot at least as well as their conventional-stocked siblings, and often a little better. It's pretty routine over on the CZ forums at RFC for people like me who own several models to report that the full stocks are their best shooters or at least one of the best. It would seem that the conventional wisdom about the long fore end hindering accuracy either isn't correct, or at the least, doesn't apply to the CZ guns.

22250Rem, if you're willing to buy from GB they show up there regularly. I suggest the early model 452s (2007 or earlier) if you have a choice because they are just ever so slightly more trim, including in the wrist (like Dave mentioned about his new MS) and you can feel it -- just a little more sleek feeling. The later 452s were ever so slightly "thicker," and then the 455s were thicker still than the 452, and the 455 stock overall was a bit more "upright" when you shoulder the gun. The differences are small, but definitely noticeable when you handle the guns. The top gun in my photo above is a 2007 model, the next two are later models. I'm not sure the difference is visible, but it's there. Likewise with the 550s, they made them a little thicker in the later years. The #4 gun in the photo is a 2005 model, and the #5 gun is a 2012, and the 2012 is a little thicker throughout. (Sorry for the hijack.)
 
Dave DeLaurant said:
. I had a scope on it for a time, but later switched to the NECG receiver sight and matching gold-filled front sight shown here. I also bought a replacement triggerguard from CZ to allow the use of more flush-fitting 3-shot magazines. I'd like to lose the ventilated recoil pad one of these days
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All good ideas-and that ventilated recoil pad does have to go! You have some really nice full-stocked rifles.
 
Great post Dave et. al. I've had a yen for the Sakos that were Mannlicher stocked after I shot my team coach's .222 back in the mid -60's. His sported that blond wood often seen on early Sakos, with skip line checkering; both of which were not my cup of tea, but easily shot MOA out to 200-250 yds. I did some good work on the ground squirrel infestation on Colorado's Front Range with the petit rifle.

Much later...like 40 years...I picked this one up in .222 Magnum (the parent experimental round that morphed into the 5.56mm. But even 15 yrs ago, brass was nearly non-existent for that entirely useful round, and expensive when found. I've been lucky a few times and squirreled away a cpl hundred cases though and have also managed to master reforming .204 Ruger brass...a not to difficult proposition...all this back when .204 brass was still readily available.

While many may question the accuracy potential of that fully stocked carbine, especially so with the heavy fore-end steel cap, the ones I've shot were all MOA guns and not just for the first 3 shots either.

Here's the gun, with a Leupold 2-7 Mounted, though it normally wears a Leupold "Alaskan" 7/8" tube 4x.

But as long as we're talking full stocked beauties...here's my 1931 Springfield 1903A1 National Match. I bought it with the O'hare sight covers on front and rear, as well as the O'hare sight micrometer in '92. All "correct" with the documentation from the 1931 Camp Perry Matches issue, it's truly a gem. Third pic shows it without the sight covers.

Best Regards, Rod

 
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codytrucker said:
View attachment 1149588 Very nice rifles , Dave! I bought this with the intention of having it re-bored and made into a 25 copperhead , like john Wooters used to write about
Then a couple things happened , one Wyoming changed a regulation , and now this is a legal deer ,antelope and wolf rifle , and two , it turns out it shoots really good , about 5/8" groups . I have always wanted to do the 3 round magazine like you did ,that really improves the looks! They are nice carrying little carbines , and mine has served me well. Awesome collection you have there.
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Is that an Eby or a Wilson back there?
 
Just finished re-watching the old budget SciFi flick A Boy and His Dog starring a very young Don Johnson and co-starring a nicely reworked 1903 Springfield in a well-proportioned full stock:

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And in addition to the sweet Webley-Green revolver Johnson was packing in a shoulder holster, I also spotted another character holding a Merwin-Hulbert revolver of all things!

I can't recall whether I've seen this film since I originally watched it at a drive-in when it came out. Still pretty entertaining.
 
Dave DeLaurant said:
As much as I like the .303 Savage cartridge, I agree that it's not in the same class as the 6.5x54. However, Savage did make a pretty neat fullstock Model 1899 musket to equip the Montreal Home Guard.

This one sold for only $6K US in 2014:

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I so resent those who cannot appreciate cartridges of times past. If something works, it works. Poor marksmen and poor hunters, blame the rifle, blame the cartridge.

Das ist sehr schlecht, jawolt.
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Old Hobo said:
I so resent those who cannot appreciate cartridges of times past. If something works, it works. Poor marksmen and poor hunters, blame the rifle, blame the cartridge.
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Be aware that this kind of appreciation can become another addiction. Once down the rabbit hole of obsolescent cartridges, adding one just more keeps on happening to me.

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Pat Riot said:
I also love full stocked rifles. I used to call them “Mannlicher stocks”. Is that a correct term?
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I referenced the NRA Firearms & Ammunition Fact Book and found this definition:

"Mannlicher stock-Rifle stock with fore-end extending to the muzzle. It originated in Europe many years ago, and its original purpose was to protect the barrel. Nowadays it is more for appearance than utility. The Austrian arms designer, von Mannlicher, did not develop this type of stock, but his name became associated with it because of widespread distribution and popularity of full-stocked Mannlicher-Schoenauer sporting carbines."
 
I love the looks of Mannlicher stocks but NOT the upkeep . As with MY former Merkel Drilling ,such craftsmanship is difficult to bang around in the woods with . Mine of a notable twist of manufacture . Dbl rifle top side by side 9.3X74R and 12 gauge under . Generally would have been 16 gauge ,so a custom manufacture for someone of notoriety ,as it was fully engraved . Two triggers , rifle left barrel fired inertia setting for Right barrel and back trigger shotgun barrel . Paid a small fortune for it when I got out of the Army and 44 years later sold it for a considerably Larger fortune . 99.9% of the time it remained in a safety deposit vault or MY safe . PH in South Africa is Now the proud owner and I'm Glad .
 
Though they are seldom seen, the Austrian firm that manufactured the legendary Mannlicher-Schoenaur military and sporting arms also once made this rimfire Mannlicher. They were imported by Stoeger back in the 1950's when they imported the entire line of Steyr Mannlicher rifles. (Steyr being part of the company's name, as was the name of the beautiful city were they were made.) IMG-3949=2-3.jpg IMG-3945-2-3.jpg -3.jpg
 
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Litetrigger said:
Though they are seldom seen, the legendary firm that manufactured Mannlicher-Schoenaur military and sporting arms also once made this rimfire Mannlicher. They were imported by Stoeger back in the 1950's when they imported the entire line of Steyr Mannlicher rifles. (Steyr being part of the company's name, as was the name of the beautiful Austrian city were they were made.)View attachment 1150130 View attachment 1150131 View attachment 1150132
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That is a beautiful rifle. Wish something similar would pop up for sale locally.
 
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