Funny CCW convo I had recently

[smince]

I thought it was very funny along with being a dose of reality. Seems like it may have smacked few in the face on this board, too.

I've said myself on several occasions "As long as I have a rifle, I can get food."

Read into that whatever you want...

 

[LouisCipher777]

if the rest of the world was populated with boy scouts, it wouldn't be the case, but in any true crisis situation, you're on your own and even if you don't like it, there are a lot of people out there who don't give a damn about your morality, but they do give a damn about your food/supplies/women/w.e.

advantages are taken, not handed out. if that is too much for the berkenstock crowd, well, in that kind of world they would be among the first weeded out by natural selection anyway.

and for the record, I might have been even more blunt than the OP.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I think you guys are being a little high and mighty here. The fact is you can stockpile all the food you want if others are hungry they are going to take it from you. Are you going to let your family starve if you have the means to feed them? I have both food and weapons. I can't honestly say that if my children are starving I would rather watch them starve than use force to take what I need to feed them. To say otherwise is just dishonest. I have food, the means to defend it, the means to hunt it, and if necessary the means to take it. Its a cold reality but its called survival. You guys may have your sensibilities bruised by how he said it but its the truth isn't it?

Before Y2K a friend of mine said he was stockpiling gold in case the monetary system collapsed. I asked him, "What is gold worth? Isn't it just worth money? If money is worthless what about your gold? If I have food I won't give you my food and go hungry for gold. I won't give you my water and go thirsty. I won't give you my weapons and be unable to hunt or defend myself. The reality is if things are that bad a box of 22lr would be worth a truckload of gold and I bet I would have better luck trading it than the gold. Gold would eventually become a barter-able item but first you have to live that long.

BTW. I DID see the humor in it.

 

[Snubshooter]

I truely think you did the wrong thing. REMEMBER lefties are VERRRY SLOW !!!!!! You have to take the high road when dealing with THEM. Talk to them like the children they are, tell them about the whole picture , weapons, food, allies; defense of self, family, neighbors, country. Maybe you can help THEM to grow up and smell the coffee they are drinking(or coolade) I know it's hard but the right thing usually IS. LEFTIES choose the easy wrong way. WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!!!!

 

[f4t9r]

jon in wv
Well said !!!!!!!!

 

[Buck Snort]

I thought he was trying to say he could trade physical security for food. Seems like a sensible arrangement to me.

 

[Buck Snort]

Factually correct, diplomatically incorrect. I do see your point, and the fact that others don't even consider the nasty side of human nature in their calculations is evidence of their lack of survival preparation. It's not fun to meditate on, but important if you really want to live. History repeats itself because human nature doesn't change that much over time.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Tacbandit]

another +1 for jon in wv...keepin' it real...well said!

 

[BigO01]

The reality is if things are that bad a box of 22lr would be worth a truckload of gold and I bet I would have better luck trading it than the gold.

One HUGE hole in this logic there jon_in_wv if things are honestly that bad you would have to be insane to Barter ammo and or guns for anything because after your trade Your former weapon can now be used on you ! As you said it will be worth a truckload of Gold , and you can't kill someone with a a Gold coinor even a brick at 50 yards with a 22 LR you can .

The only exception I might think about would be for Medicine and someone would have to very ill for that !

 

[DammitBoy]

Coffee, cigarettes and chocolate are great barter items that can't shoot you.

 

[uspJ]

Coffee, cigarettes and chocolate are great barter items that can't shoot you.

don't forget liquor and gas.

a friend and i were discussing bartering the other day and gas, coffee, cigarettes and liquor where the top things we could think of along with handtools such as hammer, saws and other thing if the power was out for an extended period. they would make repairs much easier.

 

[paul]

What a bunch of pansies...
I would have added the fact that when the armed were done eating the stored food, those without the ability to protect their interests would eventually end up on the menu, too.

mmmm, tastes like chicken!

Sometimes it's okay to startle a person.
Cures hiccups.

p

 

[TexasBill]

Don't forget! Wednesday is Soylent Green Day!

 

[Deanimator]

Sometimes it's okay to startle a person.

I don't make the slightest effort to protect the sensibilities of moonbats and prey animals.

I once had a "discussion" with an anti-gunner who puked up the pathetic "violence never solves anything" garbage. He went farther to posit that non-violence would always prevail over violence, citing Gandhi. I replied that if Gandhi had been up against Stalin or the Japanese, you wouldn't even know his name.

I proposed a thought experiment. He would be him and I would be Josef Stalin, and we would have a "debate".

As soon as he started to open his mouth, I pointed my finger at his head and said, "Bang!" From then on, every time he tried to speak, I'd "shoot" him, never letting him get a word out.

Finally, he managed to blurt out, "You can't shoot all of us!"

I replied, "YES, I CAN. I've got way more bullets than you've got dupes willing to die pointlessly for you. I'll either run out of dummies to shoot, they'll wise up and start shooting back, or they'll turn on you. I'll start taking people's families for 'questioning' which I'll 'allow' them to watch. I'll offer your friends an amnesty and maybe even a reward to sell you out. They'll give you up in no time... then I'll shoot them too. And I won't even have to have MY boys do it. To enhance their motivation, I'll just take the families of the police into 'protective custody' to make sure that they don't have to 'worry' about their 'safety' while they're slaughtering you like sheep."

He folded like a soggy refrigerator carton under the tracks of a T-34.

Anyone has an absolute right to lie to themselves. I have absolutely no duty to help them do it.

What did Harry Truman say? "I never gave anybody hell. I just told them the truth and they THOUGHT it was hell."

 

[DeepSouth]

I can honestly get food with my gun, as a matter of fact if I store up food I'll run out faster than if I store up a decent gun and a thousand rounds for it. With a half accurate rifle and a few thousand rounds you could feed a good many people for quiet some time.

I don't know about ya'll but "I can skin a buck, I can run a trout line, and a country boy can survive"

 

[Tommygunn]

I think you guys are being a little high and mighty here. The fact is you can stockpile all the food you want if others are hungry they are going to take it from you. Are you going to let your family starve if you have the means to feed them?

If you're armed it will be far tougher for them to simply "take it." The "others" probably won't let their families starve but they might be convinced to obtain food using more peaceful methods.
Being prepared involves more than owning guns, for sure. It's also about being prepared with other supplies.
But mind-set is also an important concept preppers must have.

 

[daehawc]

This all reminds me of one of my favorite tag lines that one of our THR users has. To paraphrase, "My B.O.B. Consists of a .50 BMG and a list of addresses of people who have posted their B.O.B."

I think the OP was fine in his comment. Often for the emotional arguers the only way to get them to think about a situation is to offer them something solid that fundamentally challenges their "beliefs." Facts are often lost on these types but a quick slap of "I would do this to YOU" drives the point home much quicker and personally than a long drawn out philosophical discussion can.

 

[heron]

I once had a "discussion" with an anti-gunner who puked up the pathetic "violence never solves anything" garbage. He went farther to posit that non-violence would always prevail over violence, citing Gandhi. I replied that if Gandhi had been up against Stalin or the Japanese, you wouldn't even know his name.

I proposed a thought experiment. He would be him and I would be Josef Stalin, and we would have a "debate".

As soon as he started to open his mouth, I pointed my finger at his head and said, "Bang!" From then on, every time he tried to speak, I'd "shoot" him, never letting him get a word out.

Deanimator, that was just wonderful . . . awfully blunt, but undeniable.

I'd guess that a lot of the avowed non-violent are also nature buffs, who like to go out in the woods and see all the pretty birds and animals (which I enjoy doing myself). The thing they don't think of, though, is that many of those pretty creatures are busy all day trying to EAT one another, and in the absence of societal controls, we do exactly the same.
This is why it's so rare to see a sick or injured wild animal -- they're off serving lunch to a predator.

 

[Oregun89]

I know it was mean and does nothing to promote responsible firearm ownership but this person was too far gone...

I don't know that it was mean, but it certainly does nothing to promote responsible firearm ownership.

I also believe that you could learn from this "granola", as food and water most definitely ARE the most important aspects of survival, then shelter, the protection, in this case a firearm.

From what you've said, you behaved like a cocky teenager, an 18yo that just bought an AK. Try to holster the ignorance from now on, and think before you speak.

 

[DeathByCactus]

I've retorted in similar ways to people. Typically I find it hilarious. However, I never insinuate that I would do it... Rather that there are those out there who will. Then I typically say, "and unlike you, I will be able to keep my food."

I am intrigued by this word "earth muffin" however. I find it great .

 

[poco loco]

Ummm to snubshooter, there's a lot of us lefties who aren't slow at all. from one snubshooter (S&W model 60 Chiefs Special)to another, one shouldn't assume such things.

This quick leftie left the peoples republic 25 years ago, seems you're still there.......

 

[paul]

I don't know that it was mean, but it certainly does nothing to promote responsible firearm ownership.

I also believe that you could learn from this "granola", as food and water most definitely ARE the most important aspects of survival, then shelter, the protection, in this case a firearm.

From what you've said, you behaved like a cocky teenager, an 18yo that just bought an AK. Try to holster the ignorance from now on, and think before you speak.

I can think of no better way to promote responsible gun ownership.

If the thought of being unable to protect and provide for yourself, and/or your family, does not incite the aquisition of the means to do so, then you're on your own.

p

 

[hacksaw]

"Anyone has an absolute right to lie to themselves. I have absolutely no duty to help them do it."

For the Win!

and I thought it was funny too, can't stand holier than thou types, especially if they are hippies!

 

[Oregun89]

I can think of no better way to promote responsible gun ownership.

If the thought of being unable to protect and provide for yourself, and/or your family, does not incite the aquisition of the means to do so, then you're on your own.

p

He did not insinuate protection/defense as much as he did that in such a situation he would take through force what he needed to survive, from those who were more inclined to be prepared and have what they needed. This is called robbery. My comment was not against defense by any means, it was against the idea that those who are armed can simply take what they need. It is a tyrants mentality, and has no place in efforts to retain rights to own and carry.

 

[Manco]

What's the point of stockpiling food, weapons, and ammo when the government is going to steal them from you during major emergencies anyway?