Future of the Beretta 92 Series
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The 1980s/90s cemented the Beretta 92fs as the action hero go to choice!
Lethal weapon, die hard, Matrix, every John woo film ever made.. Etc
Even the 90s game Doom starts you off behind the sites of the 92fs.
92fs is iconic.
I sold my last one, to a forum member here. An inox.
I don't shoot it as well as a sig p226.
I think the metal frame both aluminum and steel will have staying power. I see less failures with them Vs glocks /poly particularly limp wristing failures when a newer shooter may not be holding the pistol well.
But when the chips are down maybe you don't have a great grip, maybe you're already injured covered with blood and can only manage to get a loose 3 finger grip and that back strap is just floating in limbo.
I definitely urge anyone to try their own defense piece with a loose or poor grip, weak hand etc. Might be eye opening.
Lethal weapon, die hard, Matrix, every John woo film ever made.. Etc
Even the 90s game Doom starts you off behind the sites of the 92fs.
92fs is iconic.
I sold my last one, to a forum member here. An inox.
I don't shoot it as well as a sig p226.
I think the metal frame both aluminum and steel will have staying power. I see less failures with them Vs glocks /poly particularly limp wristing failures when a newer shooter may not be holding the pistol well.
But when the chips are down maybe you don't have a great grip, maybe you're already injured covered with blood and can only manage to get a loose 3 finger grip and that back strap is just floating in limbo.
I definitely urge anyone to try their own defense piece with a loose or poor grip, weak hand etc. Might be eye opening.
In some cases they bring left-handed slide stop/release levers, which are a big deal if you're doing anything timed as a southpaw.
.455_Hunter
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Not many ties to the military over the past 35 years, correct?
.455_Hunter
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Funny, since I am about as left-handed as they come and have no issues with "right handed" slide stops- I just use my left thumb.
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Huh? Isn't your left thumb on the right side of the frame as a lefty?
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redcon1
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The Beretta M9 earned its stripes the hard way. I don't see it being demoted any time soon. Maybe when we finally get phased plasma rifles in 40 watt range.
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herrwalther
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The M9 style isn't going away anytime soon. The M9A3 was Beretta's entrance to the modern handgun trials in an attempt to keep their name in DOD hands. Going forward, I think the 92 will have other versions added to suit more needs or wants that shooters have like rails, optics, safety types, grip inserts, and much more.
.455_Hunter
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No doubt the M9A3 could have slide right into the existing logistics program. The full cluster of the M17/M18 fielding has yet to be revealed...
Tom-R2
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My 92S I bought in 1983, and the 96 INOX recently purchased aren't going anywhere until I'm gone. My 92S got me home in one piece one cold dark evening many years ago. It's a sweetheart. The 96 was just because there was a great price on it, and it looked practically unfired.
Airborne Falcon
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So I was living in Italy, stationed in Vicenza with SETAF (see crest on my beret to the left in my avatar) when the trials were taking place in the early to mid 80s. We were the 1/509th ABN Battalion Combat Team the nickle oh nasty, then we switched over to become the 4/325th ... long story short, I was FDC which, at the time being the Chief, I carried a 1911 and was on the Battalion pistol team.
One day they send us to Beretta's factory (very cool week long experience) where we shot 1000s of rounds through their prototype 92s at the time ... really just pre-92FS. They had already moved the mag release apparatus and they had already made the safety ambidextrous.
We literally had people loading 15 round mags for us all day every day for a solid week. At the end of the trials they had us write a debriefing .... what we thought of them, malfunctions they recorded like clockwork, what few there were, etc., etc., etc.
On the day we finished they gave us commemorative pistols ... they were beautiful. Our Battalion Commander, Colonel Nuke'em Needham, made us give them back.
So anyways, I really liked the M9. I liked the high caps, I liked the trigger, I liked the blowback design, the accuracy ... was a little concerned with junk coming in from the top, we all were, but the pistols held-up to the torture testing. Grip sizes were a concern for one of the smaller guys with smaller hands. They ended-up changing the sights .... loosening-up the front bushing, making the new mag release ambidextrous, and they experimented with a couple of different bluings.
The ammo we shot was Hert, German Hert not the Austrian Hert. Of course there was a problem with that later when one of the SEAL teams got ahold of some MP5 ammo ... "you've not a SEAL until you've eaten Italian steel" was famously coined. We never experienced that problem.
I've owned a few since. My brothers have two of them now, I kept one. I went with SIG some years ago. By that time Lethal Weapon had come-out, and a couple of others .... the one with Bruce Willis in the tower, the Christmas movie ..., Die Hard (took me a minute) amd the legend of the M9/92FS was born.
It's a good pistol. Not my first choice these days but it served its purpose for us for a lot of years. SIG P226 was always the better pistol ... it was just too expensive at the time.
The one I have remaining is an INOX 92FS and I'll probably hold onto it and leave it to my Son. I have some 21 and 25 round factory mecgar mags for it ... and they work in my CX4 Storm as well. It's kind of become my truck gun.
I also have a few P320s now and a couple of M17s. I like them a whole lot better than the Beretta. The modular thing is big, the whole CEK thing is what cost Beretta the contract.
A close friend, a dear old very close friend I served with at Bragg, former CSM of 5th Corp, he committed suicide with his Beretta in November just before Thanksgiving down in Alabama, just outside of Benning. He had a lot of guns .... I figured he chose the Beretta for a reason. I mean I get it ... been thinking about it a lot since the funeral.
One day they send us to Beretta's factory (very cool week long experience) where we shot 1000s of rounds through their prototype 92s at the time ... really just pre-92FS. They had already moved the mag release apparatus and they had already made the safety ambidextrous.
We literally had people loading 15 round mags for us all day every day for a solid week. At the end of the trials they had us write a debriefing .... what we thought of them, malfunctions they recorded like clockwork, what few there were, etc., etc., etc.
On the day we finished they gave us commemorative pistols ... they were beautiful. Our Battalion Commander, Colonel Nuke'em Needham, made us give them back.
So anyways, I really liked the M9. I liked the high caps, I liked the trigger, I liked the blowback design, the accuracy ... was a little concerned with junk coming in from the top, we all were, but the pistols held-up to the torture testing. Grip sizes were a concern for one of the smaller guys with smaller hands. They ended-up changing the sights .... loosening-up the front bushing, making the new mag release ambidextrous, and they experimented with a couple of different bluings.
The ammo we shot was Hert, German Hert not the Austrian Hert. Of course there was a problem with that later when one of the SEAL teams got ahold of some MP5 ammo ... "you've not a SEAL until you've eaten Italian steel" was famously coined. We never experienced that problem.
I've owned a few since. My brothers have two of them now, I kept one. I went with SIG some years ago. By that time Lethal Weapon had come-out, and a couple of others .... the one with Bruce Willis in the tower, the Christmas movie ..., Die Hard (took me a minute) amd the legend of the M9/92FS was born.
It's a good pistol. Not my first choice these days but it served its purpose for us for a lot of years. SIG P226 was always the better pistol ... it was just too expensive at the time.
The one I have remaining is an INOX 92FS and I'll probably hold onto it and leave it to my Son. I have some 21 and 25 round factory mecgar mags for it ... and they work in my CX4 Storm as well. It's kind of become my truck gun.
I also have a few P320s now and a couple of M17s. I like them a whole lot better than the Beretta. The modular thing is big, the whole CEK thing is what cost Beretta the contract.
A close friend, a dear old very close friend I served with at Bragg, former CSM of 5th Corp, he committed suicide with his Beretta in November just before Thanksgiving down in Alabama, just outside of Benning. He had a lot of guns .... I figured he chose the Beretta for a reason. I mean I get it ... been thinking about it a lot since the funeral.
Riomouse911
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I feel your pain of losing someone close in that manner. It’s tough, and we all wonder how we missed the signs or if there was something else we could’ve done.
My best friend Tim (Recon soldier in the Army, we were sworn in together as police officers) was diagnosed with cancer in 2009 on this lung that sounded serious.
He carried a Beretta 92 in the service as well as on duty, so I sought one out years ago to buy as a bit of a silent tribute. I couldn’t afford a new one, used were still very sought after and pricy, so I settled on a 96 Centurion .40 for a decent price on GB. (It ended up being DAO when I picked it up, which explained the affordable price.) The grip is a bit thick and the tritium sights have dimmed to zero, but the trigger pull is amazing
.He beat the cancer… but sadly not his hidden demons. I talked to him the day before ended his life, just before Christmas, 2016. Like your friend, Tim used the Beretta that one final time.
I still have that 96, I’ll take it out to shoot every once in a while to remember.
Will I ever buy a 9mm 92- version? Probably not…. but I almost never say never.
May you find peace, and always share an extra hug with those you love.
Stay safe.
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Beretta absolutely made a "Combat" model off the D/Brigadier with ambi frame mounted safety. Some were imported. They show up for sale used periodically.
Most with long barrels and that weight but some with normal length barrels.
Why they won't make more baffles me.
Also sorta surprised Langdon hasn't gone to the next step of offering frame safeties, even if it means machining their own cloned frames.
Most with long barrels and that weight but some with normal length barrels.
Why they won't make more baffles me.
Also sorta surprised Langdon hasn't gone to the next step of offering frame safeties, even if it means machining their own cloned frames.
Absolutely zero! And not a huge fan of the 1911! Quite pleased and comforted with my S&W Model 22-4 or 1917 on my hip. Quaint? Old fashioned? Maybe, but I can work a revolver without thinking. The auto loader, not so much!
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A 92X is one of only a few guns I plan to get before I'm done with my collection. One of the very few new guns I even like that aren't CZ clones.
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I have always liked the 92 platform but despised the safety location. I carried one for quite a long time in the Army and it was always able to shoot it more accurately than any other semi auto until I got my first wilson 1911. The 92X I have been shooting with the frame mounted safety is an incredible gun. To me it is the 92 platform perfected.
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I was happy to end my relationship with those guns some time ago.
Batty67
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I dig mine: old-school refinished, drilled-out front sight with fiber optic, and hugely upgraded 92FS Centurion. The Langdon trigger-job-in-a-bag took it to the next level. My nephew-in-law, who served in Iraq, will likely get it...someday
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Nature Girl wanted a 92 INOX Brigadier for her first pistol (zero influence from her dad, I would have steered her towards a CZ)
As long as young shooters are interested in them they will be around for a while
As long as young shooters are interested in them they will be around for a while
JTQ
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Here are some data points from Langdon Tactical. Changing out hammer springs is fairly straightforward. A "trigger job in a bag" may be a little more involved. The 92X models should come with a "D" spring, which I believe is a 16 lb spring.
https://langdontactical.com/faqs
JTQ
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As mentioned above Beretta offers a couple of models with a frame mounted safety
92X Perfomance https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-92x-performance/
92X Performance Defensive https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-92x-performance-defensive/
I'm not trying to convince folks to like a Beretta M9/92FS, just like I don't try to convince folks to like 1911's, or anything else, but there is a reason for the features on the M9/92FS. These features are appealing to some folks, while no doubt, others won't care for them. Here are a couple of Ernest Langdon videos on the Beretta M9/92 Series
Why the slide mounted decocker
M9/92FS features
I have a Taurus 92 that I've had for at least 25 years, I haven't always had great experiences with Taurus firearms but the 92 has been excellent in every way, and it has been rode hard and put up wet (as the saying goes). After getting used to the safety on it, I could never go for the slide-mounted stuff. Just don't let Jackie Chan grab the barrel while you're fighting with him.
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