Future of the Browning Hi Power

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I don't know about it's future...but it sure has an interesting past. I bought one recently in mint condition that was made by the Germans in WWII after they captured the FN plant in Belgium. It was the only sidearm issued to both the Allied and Axis powers during the war.

I haven't shot it yet...but it's neat.
 
Well I'm a couple beers short of 21 and I'll be buying my browning hi power in a couple months. It's the best 9mm I've ever shot and it's one of the most proven 9mm's in existence. So there will be at least one guy to carry it into the next generation, keep your polymer nonsense


Hey Buddy -

While your Browning HP is passed down to your grand kid, and everyone will gather around at the shooting range in awe. My Glock will be recycled into milk bottles 12 times over.

My grand kids will look in the recycle bin, and point out Evian Water bottles and say "There's my grandpa's gun"
 
I like the Hi Power a lot but with the prices they command and the vast number of guns that work just as well out there for $300 less, I think it will become one of those niche guns that only a handful of new owners buy in 20 years.

The majority will probably buy striker fired polymer guns.
 
I like the Hi Power a lot but with the prices they command and the vast number of guns that work just as well out there for $300 less, I think it will become one of those niche guns that only a handful of new owners buy in 20 years.

The majority will probably buy striker fired polymer guns.

Likely true, sadly.

I've found that as I'm getting older I keep shifting away from striker fired polys and into all-metal SAO guns. So I've got that going for me.

Granted, I have extremely high hopes for the (hopefully released soon) Ruger SR45c.
 
I like the Hi Power a lot but with the prices they command and the vast number of guns that work just as well out there for $300 less, I think it will become one of those niche guns that only a handful of new owners buy in 20 years.

I agree that it is a niche firearm, but I don't understand why. Seems to me that every quasi "gun guy" I know gravitates from a Glock, XD, M&P, etc. to a 1911 - and that 1911 always seems to be........a $1000+ Kimber.

I honestly don't get people these days....
 
Seems to me that every quasi "gun guy" I know gravitates from a Glock, XD, M&P, etc. to a 1911 - and that 1911 always seems to be........a $1000+ Kimber.
Yet, as evidenced by our other thread on "what's wrong with sriker-fired guns" there are a lot of us ... let's say a bit more than 'quasi' ... gun guys who gravitate back to, or land in and stay in the modern pistol camp. When the demand for guns to be a certain way (light, cheap, durable, reliable, etc.) outweighs the demand for guns to be some other way (heavier, hammer-fired, all-metal, classically "stylish," hand-tuned, etc.) the makers respond to fill demand.
 
The older you get, the less you "get" people.:D Admittedly, understanding people becomes less and less important, probably because one has realized that many people are idiots, and not worth the time.:)
 
The older you get, the less you "get" people. Admittedly, understanding people becomes less and less important, probably because one has realized that many people are idiots, and not worth the time.
Yup! Everyone is an idiot and we are all idiots who don't understand all the other idiots.

Every time I think, "wow, that guy's an idiot," I find he had good reasons for his decisions, they just weren't MY reasons, or they weren't reasons I'd stopped to consider.

(I enjoyed this quite a bit: http://www.amazon.com/The-Logic-Life-Economics-Irrational/dp/0812977874)
 
The point I was trying to make in post #30 was that I don't think the price of a BHP has everything to do with it's current lack of sales. When I see folks dump $1300 on Kimbers because they "look cool", I just can't fathom why that same crowd wouldn't spend $900 on a BHP.

Hence 'quasi'.

And for the record, I love my Colt Series 70 and Browning Hi Power.
 
Hey Buddy -

While your Browning HP is passed down to your grand kid, and everyone will gather around at the shooting range in awe. My Glock will be recycled into milk bottles 12 times over.

My grand kids will look in the recycle bin, and point out Evian Water bottles and say "There's my grandpa's gun"
Funny but most likely true!
 
wow6599 ......Seems to me that every quasi "gun guy" I know gravitates from a Glock, XD, M&P, etc. to a 1911 - and that 1911 always seems to be........a $1000+ Kimber.
I transfer more Hi Powers than I do Kimbers.

Those "quasi gun guys" rarely dump a Glock, Sig, M&P etc for a 1911.........they add the 1911 or Hi Power to their collection.;)
 
I transfer more Hi Powers than I do Kimbers.

Those "quasi gun guys" rarely dump a Glock, Sig, M&P etc for a 1911.........they add the 1911 or Hi Power to their collection

Glad to hear. And for the record, I didn't mean to suggest that the folks I know dump their plastic firearms, they too add to their collection.

In my circle of friends and co-workers, I'm the "gun nut"....at least that's what they say :D

Most of them just seem to start off with plastic and then after exposure to other firearms, they want a 1911. I'm more than happy to help them find a 1911, because I don't particularly care for polymer guns - but do own a few.

Just seems like they all want 1911 Kimbers.....no Colt, Springfield, S&W, etc.

I had one guy I work with try to buy my BHP, but it's not for sale.
 
To be fair, when you dump $1300 in a Kimber, you'll have better controls than the Hi-Power comes stock with. No 8lb single-action trigger with a long and barely perceptible reset. The sights will arguably be better and the safety will be a little more forgiving on your thumb after 1000 rounds in two days.

I love the Hi-Power; but FN/Browning is killing it with their approach. They have the price in custom 1911 territory but no custom features that people commonly tweak on the Hi-Power. I understand the design is probably expensive to produce compared to modern polymer pistols; but the Hi-Power retail prices are just not good on the bang for buck scale (says the guy who owns and carries the BHP regularly).

Unless you need a really flat profile like only a 1911, BHP or some of the earlier JMB designs can do, the BHP just isn't price competitive as a practical shooter. It is still a remarkable practical shooter; but you can get better and cheaper.

If I wanted to breathe new life into the BHP, I'd start by making it custom out of the box - either make the spur hammer shorter with a no-bite hammer shaft or start using a no-bite commander hammer. The safety should be more positive and less mushy. There is no valid reason to have an 8lb factory single action trigger on a Hi-Power either. Better sights. Stippled/checkered frame. 15rd flush fit mags stock. The 1911 market has already shown how to do it. Add those features and sell it at $1300.
 
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To be fair, when you dump $1300 in a Kimber, you'll have better controls than the Hi-Power comes stock with. No 8lb single-action trigger with a long and barely perceptible reset. The sights will arguably be better and the safety will be a little more forgiving on your thumb after 1000 rounds in two days.

I love the Hi-Power; but FN/Browning is killing it with their approach. They have the price in custom 1911 territory but no custom features that people commonly tweak on the Hi-Power. I understand the design is probably expensive to produce compared to modern polymer pistols; but the Hi-Power retail prices are just not good on the bang for buck scale (says the guy who owns and carries the BHP regularly).

Unless you need a really flat profile like only a 1911, BHP or some of the earlier JMB designs can do, the BHP just isn't price competitive as a practical shooter. It is still a remarkable practical shooter; but you can get better and cheaper.

If I wanted to breathe new life into the BHP, I'd start by making it custom out of the box - either make the spur hammer shorter with a no-bite hammer shaft or start using a no-bite commander hammer. The safety should be more positive and less mushy. There is no valid reason to have an 8lb factory single action trigger on a Hi-Power either. Better sights. Stippled/checkered frame. 15rd flush fit mags stock. The 1911 market has already shown how to do it. Add those features and sell it at $1300.

Wow, you just nailed it. Kimber made the 1911 relevant again by adding custom features to stock guns at what was then reasonable prices. Before Kimber you'd walk into big gun shops and see maybe 8-10 different 1911's mostly Springfield's, Llamas, Stars, and a few odd Colts. And if you wanted a good one you bought a Colt or Springer and had a smith set it up for about $500 additional. Now you see 1911 departments in most bigger gun shops.

At this point the HP isn't going to die, but it's becoming a nostalgia gun like a Mosin Nagent or Walther PPK. Cool gun, functional, but cooler for it's history than value as a EDC. But I suspect we'll see them for a while. I believe there are still in military use. And I see surplus ones show up occasionally. We ad some Isreali police HP's show up in the summer of 12.
 
BHP is still my favorite 9mm pistol. While I've never owned a real FN or Browning (they are spendy when new) I've had my eye out for a surplus FN to add to my collection. I've got a lot of rounds downrange through my FEG clones, and I shot a lot of other hicap 9mm's before settling on the Hi-power design.
 
The BHP is one of the sweetest pistols I own. I think it's an icon and will be around a long long time. I would venture to guess back in the day some felt the 1903-1908 Colt pocket pistols would forever fall out of favor but there's still a market for them.
 
It will likely live on for a long time as a minority/niche item, but I do not see the new generation "embracing" it.

It was a great pistol when it came out, but it does not do anything particularly better in today's standards.
 
If I wanted to breathe new life into the BHP, I'd start by making it custom out of the box - either make the spur hammer shorter with a no-bite hammer shaft or start using a no-bite commander hammer. The safety should be more positive and less mushy. There is no valid reason to have an 8lb factory single action trigger on a Hi-Power either. Better sights. Stippled/checkered frame. 15rd flush fit mags stock. The 1911 market has already shown how to do it. Add those features and sell it at $1300.
I would add removal of the magazine disconnect, and lowering the main spring (hammer spring) weight from 32 lbs to 28 lbs or even less as standard.
 
they could also move the pivot point of the sear lever. c&s does this to get a 3lb pull weight.
 
Bought my hard chromed FN hi power about 10 years ago for 600.00. Wouldn't sell it for the world.

Never had a single malfunction either.

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The HP is one of my favorite pistols also. The cheapest way to get one now is the Argentine FM (licensed by FN) and FEG true clones which may be found under $400 used. Both the FM and FEG have models that aren't true clones so you have to inspect closely. All the parts in my FM are FN compatible. There is a FEG double action "clone" that is about 0% compatible, even the mags don't fit!
 
There is no valid reason to have an 8lb factory single action trigger on a Hi-Power either.

Unfortunately, there is. The BHP trigger is linked to the sear through the FP blocking mechanism in the slide. When the trigger is pulled, it raises a "pusher" which lifts a lever in the slide, this lever both transfers trigger movement to the sear, and unblocks the FP. The way the lever engages the sear is at a mechanical disadvantage, and greater force on the trigger is needed to actuate it.

By contrast, a 1911 trigger engages the sear directly, and transfer force linearly. Consequently, it allows a 2.5 to 3 Lb break glass trigger pull to be put on a 1911, without any hammer follow. The Hi Power lives in the 4 to 5 Lb trigger pull zone.
 
Got Lead, I don't understand your point. You start out by quoting my "There is no valud reason a Hi-Power needs an 8lb single action trigger" and saying there is a reason. Then you acknowledge what I already know to be true through experience - a 4-5lb single action trigger with a good, albeit not 1911, break is completely possible with the MKIIS or MkIIIS Hi-Powers. You appear to be contradicting yourself. What exactly were you trying to say? The 8lb example I gave wasn't hyperbole - that was the actual factory pull on a .40 BHP I looked lately (8+ actually).

Someone else mentioned the hammer spring being reduced back to 26lb. The original reason for the increase to 32lb was to deal with hard military primers. Having come across a bag of gun show 9mm that my Glock 26's striker couldn't handle but my Hi-Power smashed with aplomb, I'm not sure I would agree on the desirability of that; but I imagine even the 26lb spring is sufficient in 99% of scenarios.

On the sear lever, I think 3lb is probably too light for a carry gun - and if you are aiming for the custom profuction 1911 market, you are targeting CCW and defensive gun buyers primarily. It might make a good factory option or a special competition model though.
 
I would love to find a HP in a 9mm at a price I was willing to pay. Sweet shooters for sure but, as the OP says, they are mighty pricey compared to some of the quality guns out there today.
 
I've owned quite a few 9mm's. I still own a half-dozen or so 9mm's. My (factory stock except for removal of mag safety) Mk III Hi-Power is my favorite of all the 9mm's I own or have owned and right near the top of the list of all the guns I've ever owned. I hope others keep losing interest in them.
 
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