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The show is okay, but horribly inaccurate as per usual on the discovery channel. The host just said that the .308 was the standard round for the AK-47. Anyone else see the show?
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redloki
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Yes, I saw it and I noticed that as well. That whole episode to me seems as if the Discovery Channel was trying to put creedence to California banning the .50BMG and the fact that many feel that such a round/weapon should not be in the hands of civilians. They painted the Barrett M82 series as evil incarnate with a will of its own. They acted as if it was easy as pie to engage a target out to 2000yds just by pulling the trigger and never touching the dials on their optic by dialing the correct dope. It seems this was completely done off camera. Not to mention emblishing the time it takes to load a bolt action rifle, refering to normal military .308 bolt guns. If I remember this correctly he said that it took 20 seconds to chamber a round. I just did not like the "feel" of the entire episode.
Low-Sci
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Well, technically...
Yeah I know that's a load of ponyloaf, but as a simple technicality...
The 7.62x39 round, while it has a different chamber than a .308 Nato, has the same land and groove dimensions in the barrel because the bullet itself is of the same diameter. Maybe they just got confused and thought that bullet diameter was the whole story. I wouldn't put that past them.
Yeah I know that's a load of ponyloaf, but as a simple technicality...
The 7.62x39 round, while it has a different chamber than a .308 Nato, has the same land and groove dimensions in the barrel because the bullet itself is of the same diameter. Maybe they just got confused and thought that bullet diameter was the whole story. I wouldn't put that past them.
Cosmoline
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Well then I've been wasting my money on .311" bullets. And there are about a billion 7.62x39 rounds that have been mistakenly loaded with .311" rounds 
The 7.62x39 uses the same diameter round as the soviet's 7.62x54R ball, which is also right at .311". This corresponds with the archaic "Three Line" measurement used with the Czarist round.
He just put his foot in his mouth, pure and simple. The .308 is not the round fired by the AK-47. Some AK-pattern Saigas, yes. But not the AK-47. Like a lot of shooters with a strictly military background, his knowledge is deep but narrow. He gets tripped up the second he strays from arms in the current US arsenal. The producers should have caught it. Heck, Jamie from Mythbusters would have caught it in a second.
I don't think it's as anti in motivation as some others here. They interview Barrett himself, who's a staunch advocate of the RKBA. The tests were well within the rifle's parameters. It really is an amazing invention.
The 7.62x39 uses the same diameter round as the soviet's 7.62x54R ball, which is also right at .311". This corresponds with the archaic "Three Line" measurement used with the Czarist round. He just put his foot in his mouth, pure and simple. The .308 is not the round fired by the AK-47. Some AK-pattern Saigas, yes. But not the AK-47. Like a lot of shooters with a strictly military background, his knowledge is deep but narrow. He gets tripped up the second he strays from arms in the current US arsenal. The producers should have caught it. Heck, Jamie from Mythbusters would have caught it in a second.
I don't think it's as anti in motivation as some others here. They interview Barrett himself, who's a staunch advocate of the RKBA. The tests were well within the rifle's parameters. It really is an amazing invention.
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Redloki
Excuse but I was under the impression he was refering to earlier .50 bmg weapons bolt system, showing the Barret auto loading as vastly superior.
I would imagine that a demonstration of British musketry with the SMLE
would leave them rather wide eyed!
Excuse but I was under the impression he was refering to earlier .50 bmg weapons bolt system, showing the Barret auto loading as vastly superior.
I would imagine that a demonstration of British musketry with the SMLE
would leave them rather wide eyed!
Low-Sci
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Fair enough...
I can fairly well admit when I'm wrong, so you've got me. I didn't know that about 7.62x39.
I can fairly well admit when I'm wrong, so you've got me. I didn't know that about 7.62x39.
Cosmoline
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Well it does say it's 7.62, so it's not unreasonable to conclude that it would be the same as other rounds calling themselves "7.62." But as is often the case in the world of small arms, what's reasonable isn't always what's correct.
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I didn't have time to watch it, but I saw the commercial... showed the Barrett M82 and said how it could destroy an enemy target from 2 miles away.
MTMilitiaman
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.308 in an AK?
Even Counterstrike gets it more accurately than that.
To your credit, some domestically produced 7.62x39 weapons, such as the Ruger Mini-30, and ammunition are true .308 caliber, but the ComBlock weapons and most foreign ammunition is .310-.311 caliber. Wolf, last time I measured it, miked out to .310 caliber, for example.
Even Counterstrike gets it more accurately than that.
To your credit, some domestically produced 7.62x39 weapons, such as the Ruger Mini-30, and ammunition are true .308 caliber, but the ComBlock weapons and most foreign ammunition is .310-.311 caliber. Wolf, last time I measured it, miked out to .310 caliber, for example.
doubleaes2
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I was really looking forward to that show, but I shut it off about a third of the way through. I smacked myself in the forehead when he stated that the .308 round was standard for the AK. :banghead: I did not like the show at all. (The parts I watched.) The host seemed to be trying to make the .50 sound like some big, scary, evil rifle. I may be assuming incorrectly, but I would think that after ten years in the SEALS, he would be more familiar with weapons and their terminology.
silicon wolverine
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he must be one of these kind of SEALS
Stupid
Egotistical
Arrogant
Loser
Socailists
SW
Stupid
Egotistical
Arrogant
Loser
Socailists
SW
Knob Creeker
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There is no way that guy was a SEAL. The AK-47 is the most used combat firearm on the planet. SEALs are trained to use a wide variety of weapons from all corners of the world and I would think that the AK would be the first one they would learn about. SEALs also use the M60 and its variants, which fire .308. Any one who has even handled both shells could clearly see that they were not dimensionally the same and if they have fired both an AK and a gun chambered in .308, they would notice a dramatic difference in ballistics and recoil. I have trouble believing he was in the military at all.
I also got the feeling they were trying to make the Barrett 50 as scary as possible. I don’t think it was done as a political anti-gun/50 cal message, the rifle was on loan personally from Ronnie Barrett himself and was fired on his range and we all know how he feels about the anti-gun folks. The scary, deadly, military play-up on the Barrett fell in line with the whole theme of the show; seemed innocent enough to me.
I also got the feeling they were trying to make the Barrett 50 as scary as possible. I don’t think it was done as a political anti-gun/50 cal message, the rifle was on loan personally from Ronnie Barrett himself and was fired on his range and we all know how he feels about the anti-gun folks. The scary, deadly, military play-up on the Barrett fell in line with the whole theme of the show; seemed innocent enough to me.
redloki
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Robert, It's been 12 hours since the show aired and I cannot remember too well now. For all I know you could be right. I was a bit eirked at the way they potrayed the rifle as having a mind of it's own. It's a tool, no more no less. Granted, it's a big one, but still a tool.
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Knob,
Why would a SEAL care about esoteric info like bullet diameter (.308 vs .311), when they are going to be issued the correct ammo?
Why would a SEAL care about esoteric info like bullet diameter (.308 vs .311), when they are going to be issued the correct ammo?
HankB
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I got a chuckle out of Ronnie Barrett saying words to the effect of "Only four men have ever designed guns and had them adapted by the US Military - Browning, Stoner, Garand, and Me."
I guess he forgot about Sam Colt, John T. Thompson, David "Carbine" Williams, and a host of others.
The sub part of the show was interesting, but the German sub is quieter than the latest US subs? I was under the impression that US nuke subs, if moving at slow speeds, didn't need to have the reactor pumps running, making them dead quiet, too . . . but I really don't have credible info, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
As for the host, the guy came off more like a mall ninja poser than like a genuine Navy SEAL. I got a real chuckle about how he was "captured" by the unarmed tubby guy in sunglasses after the drone managed the challenging task of zooming in on the only moving object in an empty section of desert . . .
I guess he forgot about Sam Colt, John T. Thompson, David "Carbine" Williams, and a host of others.
The sub part of the show was interesting, but the German sub is quieter than the latest US subs? I was under the impression that US nuke subs, if moving at slow speeds, didn't need to have the reactor pumps running, making them dead quiet, too . . . but I really don't have credible info, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
As for the host, the guy came off more like a mall ninja poser than like a genuine Navy SEAL. I got a real chuckle about how he was "captured" by the unarmed tubby guy in sunglasses after the drone managed the challenging task of zooming in on the only moving object in an empty section of desert . . .
Yeah, I watched it..and couldn't belive what he said about the "308" round...Especially if he was really a SEAL..
However, I didn't think the portion on the .50 was biased, in fact they never even mentioned that .50s are available to the public(except a mention that AP ammo wasn't available to the public-I forgot that part). And, it was kinda neat to see one in action..
I've watched it a couple times now, and overall its kinda interesting, even if they don't always get their facts absolutely straight.
However, I didn't think the portion on the .50 was biased, in fact they never even mentioned that .50s are available to the public(except a mention that AP ammo wasn't available to the public-I forgot that part). And, it was kinda neat to see one in action..
I've watched it a couple times now, and overall its kinda interesting, even if they don't always get their facts absolutely straight.
belton-deer-hunter
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i watched this and the sad part is i noticed the ak ammo part and even told my GF she now thinks i spend to much time on here thanks guys.......
Nathaniel Firethorn
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I think he did qualify it enough so it might have been accurate as stated. IIRC, he said "in the last century" and he might have said "rifle" as well.
He'd have had to say it so that it omitted Williams, though.
Yup, he's got an ego. Maybe he has the right to it.
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The only thing that show did for me is push me over the edge to buy a Barrett 50 . I have a shop here that has one in stock. Im tempted to go put it on layaway once I get the configuration. Does anyone have any experience with these?
Knob Creeker
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Owen
I’m not so sure bullet diameter itself is the problem, but rather knowing which ammo goes with which firearm. When they are going to be issued the correct ammo, no problem.
When they are involved in a situation that takes longer than expected, the issued ammo might run slim and they would have to re-supply from enemy soldiers. If the pick-up weapon is an AK or any thing else, they better know what type of ammunition to feed it because the quartermaster won’t be around to help them out. Another instance is during ‘deniable operations’, when the government is acting discreetly and would not like being traced to the soldiers if something goes wrong. In these cases they would be issued ‘clean’ weapons more common to the indigenous forces rather than typical US equipment, and again, they better know whether it takes 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (.308)
I’m not so sure bullet diameter itself is the problem, but rather knowing which ammo goes with which firearm. When they are going to be issued the correct ammo, no problem.
When they are involved in a situation that takes longer than expected, the issued ammo might run slim and they would have to re-supply from enemy soldiers. If the pick-up weapon is an AK or any thing else, they better know what type of ammunition to feed it because the quartermaster won’t be around to help them out. Another instance is during ‘deniable operations’, when the government is acting discreetly and would not like being traced to the soldiers if something goes wrong. In these cases they would be issued ‘clean’ weapons more common to the indigenous forces rather than typical US equipment, and again, they better know whether it takes 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (.308)
Is the host a real SEAL?
What's the guy's name? There are sites out there that check people out, simply because there are enough people out there claiming things like "Oh, I was in SEAL Team 6 but you can't see my records because they were all destroyed in a fire..." and getting jobs because of it.
Claiming a .308Win is the round in the AK, and claiming that it takes 20 seconds to reload a bolt-action rifle make me suspicious of his background.
What's the guy's name? There are sites out there that check people out, simply because there are enough people out there claiming things like "Oh, I was in SEAL Team 6 but you can't see my records because they were all destroyed in a fire..." and getting jobs because of it.
Claiming a .308Win is the round in the AK, and claiming that it takes 20 seconds to reload a bolt-action rifle make me suspicious of his background.
Crosshair
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As a general rule, Modern Diesels running on electric motors are MUCH quieter than a nuke could hope to be. Even running on Diesel power, they are not much nosier than a modern nuke sub. There have been several instances of Diesels getting within firing distance of a US carrier during war games. Here is an article taking a serious look at our navy. It is a very good read.
Is the US Navy Overrated?
From the article:
seeker_two
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May all our enemies use .308 Winchester ammo in their AK's...
Crosshair
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seeker_two
May all our enemies use .308 Winchester ammo in their AK's...
Sweet, when did our enemies start using .308 Saigas. That explains where they all went.
May all our enemies use .308 Winchester ammo in their AK's...
Sweet, when did our enemies start using .308 Saigas. That explains where they all went.
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