G3 vs FnFal

[awwhite1012]

I know this may be a stupid question but can anyone describe the main differences between the all the HK91 CETME G3 clones and the
FN Fal
Thanks you

 

[Logan5]

Try searching the forum

Bit late for me to go trying to explain MARS/HK roller locking vs the FAL, but I'm sure someone will come along and jump on it.

 

[RNB65]

I voted for the FAL. I have no idea why. Maybe because I like FN more than I like HK. Or maybe I've read more positive comments about the FAL than about the CETME/G3/HK91 line. Who knows...
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[Eightball]

If you're going for a CETME clone, get the CETME. G3=expensive, just because of a couple letters on the side.

The FAL seems to have more market support, and the adjustable gas system is a plus, to me. Haven't messed with a G3/ripoff in quite some time, though, so take my advice with a grain of saltpeter.

 

[ugaarguy]

The roller delayed blowback action and requisite fluted chamber of the CETME/G3/HK-91 are both hard on bolts and very rough on brass. I think the FAL with its adjustable gas system and tilt locking bolt is a far superior design. There's reason that the FAL was adopted over the G3 and M-14 by almost every non-communist country during the cold war, earning it the nickname of "The Free World's Right Arm." I'd get the FAL if it was me.

 

[elmerfudd]

They're both great rifles. The G3 is more accurate and reliable and has better sights. The FAL is more ergonomic and has better optics mounting options. The G3 is dirtier. The FAL kicks less. Century can screw up either one.

 

[silverlance]

G3 vs FAL? That's a very unfair contest, heavily canted towards the FAL. The G3 is worth way more, but the FAL is undoubtedly a superior rifle. Adjustable gas, active ergonomics (unless you are a lefty), incredibly solid construction, good sights, and a fluted chamber. The CETME doesn't ebven come close.

The only real MBR that competes with the FAL is the M1A. In that comparison, what you lose in terms of reliability and adaptibility in the M1A you gain in terms of long range accuracy.

 

[awwhite1012]

the thing is from all i read before this post i would rather buy a fal but all that i have found are way more then the g3 but maybe i am just looking in the wrong places suggestions most welcome

 

[grimjaw]

FAL, because I hate HK as much as they hate me.

jm

 

[wideym]

I have a two FALs and one HK 91. The FALs are more comfortable to shoot, can be made into almost any configuration(full length, carbine, SBR, folding or solid stock, etc.), adjustable gas setting, inexpensive mags, a bolt hold-open, and are generally much less expensive than an HK-91.

While the HK-91 has inexpensive mags, changing it to a different configuation can be expensive and changing the barrels can be a nightmare.

I don't have any experince with CETMEs and most I've looked at seemed like crappy parts kit guns. I'd go with FALs over HKs any day if I had to carry one in combat.

 

[Firepower!]

Definately HK91!
There is no comparision when it comes to HK weapons. I would have voted G3 if you had put HK G3 on the poll!

HK 91 with folding stock and good scope makes excellant gun for multiple uses.

 

[SageMonkey]

I voted the HK91, but really I would suggest the PTR-91. Its as good of a gun, without the high collectability cost. Most will find it more accurate than the FAL, but also less ergonomic and with worse recoil. Recoil isn't too bad, my wife likes to shoot it... Scope mounting is no problem, but you need a quality steel claw mount, and they do cost. Also, most will find that the PTR doesn't have the problems with ripping the case heads off of .308 (as opposed to 7.62x51 NATO), which the HK91 sometimes has.

 

[Mannix]

The FAL for sure. The FAL also has ALOT more parts out there being made for it, at a cheaper price, where as the HK is stupidly expensive, they think I suck, and they hate me.

 

[Cannonball888]

I'm faithFAL to the FN

 

[doubleg]

CEMTE, not astronomically overpriced.

 

[stubbicatt]

I've owned all three of your choices, and presently own a PTR91.

The FAL is a good rifle, but harder to clean, with poor heat control. If you get one, you will want to bring your oven mitt along so that you can shoot it. I think that the selector lever location on the FAL is better than that on the PTR91 or HK91, which are identical in most practical respects. If you have ET thumbs, the PTR91 or HK91 selectors become easier to use. The sights on the PTR91 are better than the FAL. Recoil mitigation with the gas system on the FAL is better than the PTR or HK91, and the FAL's bolt hold open is a nice feature. The PTR91 is handily the more accuate... as I'm able to get right at 1 MOA with good ammo in mine most any day.

The DSA FAL is the one to compare all FALs to these days. It is quite a bit more expensive than the PTR91. If you opt for a FAL though, they are the one to get.

So.

If you intend to turn the safety on and off alot, or if the Bolt Hold Open is an important feature to you, get the FAL... understand you are paying more for less accuracy, and forgoing that darned "click" on round 21 in the HK91 or PTR91.

 

[AndyC]

FAL - Right Arm of the Free World

 

[TexasRifleman]

You know, you really are going to need BOTH

But get the FAL first.

 

[Magnuumpwr]

For just complete simplicity, I chose the FAL. I tend to like things that are easy to fix in the field, whether at the range or in hunting. And yes, I own both a CAI cetme and a CAI L1A1 at the present time.

 

[kfranz]

VG3 vs FAL? That's a very unfair contest, heavily canted towards the FAL. The G3 is worth way more, but the FAL is undoubtedly a superior rifle. Adjustable gas, active ergonomics (unless you are a lefty), incredibly solid construction, good sights, and a fluted chamber. The CETME doesn't ebven come close.

uhhhh, the FAL doesn't have a fluted chamber. Given your sig line, I'm thinking you may want to fix that...

 

[W.E.G.]

FAL with DSA "Hampton" lower and the A2 rear sight.

Accept no substitutes.

 

[cmidkiff]

Any of the three are solid rifle designs.

Ergonomics... the Fal is better for most people, but you really have to get your hands on each to find out what's comfortable for you. The Cetme and HK design has a rather long reach for the safety selector, for sure.

Personally, I find the FAL an ugly beast. Just don't like the look.

Don't know much about the Cetme, other than it's history as the predecessor to the H&K... Most that I've seen look pretty primitive.

I bought my PRT91 because I liked it. It was sitting on a shelf next to an AR10 and a DSA FAL... all within a few hundred of each other. I picked the PTR on looks, and how if felt to me. Didn't really know that much about the action at the time, though I had heard it was known to be quite reliable.

PTR mags are cheap and plentiful, but so are FAL's really...

Downside of the PTR is that you can't really reload for it. Mine throws it's cases quite some distance, they all have a fairly severe dent in the neck area, and soft brass shows the impression of the chamber flutes all along the sides. Not exactly gentle on the brass. I started shooting steel cased ammo, and couldn't be happier with it's performance. It's cheap (as .308win goes, anyway), reliable, accurate enough for my purposes, and I don't have to worry about scrounging for brass.

Hard to go wrong with any of these choices, as long as you get a good quality example of the Cetme or Fal (the PTR's are quite good... some would say better than the originals!)

 

[inherentical]

They're both good guns. Get both.

P.S. - Don't get the HK collapsible stock on the PTR-91. Looks cool, feels bad.

 

[LeibstandarteAdH]

Adjustable gas, active ergonomics (unless you are a lefty), incredibly solid construction, good sights, and a fluted chamber.

The FAL does not have a fluted chamber.

If it was between a century (bottom dollar) G3 and FAL, i would take the FAL, as it goes togather much easier and the quality is a lot harder to **** up.

If it was between a DSA FAL and a PTR-91, i would take the PTR-91 any and every day of the week.

I have about 10 reloads on HK91/G3 brass, and its all still just fine. The G3/91 is FAR more accuare and has a better optics platform (the accuracy is fact, the platform is my opinion). And needing to adjust a gas setting is also NOT a plus in my opinion. (I have both) I also dont like the HK kool-aid, the PTR-91 is MUCH better than the "real" HK91 in my opinion. (more accurate, less chamber flutes, lower recoil, better QC)

The only thing is the G3 design is dirtier, but it likes dirty, unlike the AR-15.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I have about 10 reloads on HK91/G3 brass, and its all still just fine

Really? I have not reloaded any brass out of my PTR91, it has MASSIVE dents in the side in addition to all the fluting damage.

Do you get the big dents?