"Defending street gangs is a losing argument."
says you, and im not
defending the gangs or the nature of them at all.
just that, people are people, some good some bad, some down right evil.
I base my opinion own my own experiances and beliefs, nothing more nothing less.
I would bet I have far more experiance with gang members than most of the people on here other than the cops and CO's.
I dont like the idea of lumping groups of people together and judging them all to be inherantly good or bad.
agin, were all human beings. ----TheKen
Ken:
Your argument has salient points. However, the points become in the end, advocacies for approaches to social correction and personal values. These are distinct from the propositions for Self-Defense and Legal possession of firearms.
Having introduced your salient points, which are rather like:
(1) Not all issues are statistical issues
[A Jungian proposition by the way, and quite true where individuals are concerned.]
(2) A proposition for Good and Evil, including various degrees of same in people. [Good point]
(3) That you personally, have more experience with gangs
[Which is not for us to argue, because that is a private, rather than a public issue]
(4) That you object to generalizing that some people are either Good or Bad without recognition that nearly all human beings do not fit a stereotype, and many are redeemable.
[By the way, movies rely very much on "fictionalized" human beings, the Bad guys being so violent and evil, we desire them killed by violent means as retribution, and we want the Good guys to do it with exciting action.]
Good point.
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Good points all, especially if one recognizes that many people reform and become acceptable persons contributing to the good of society.
But our attitudes are grounded more in terms of Self-Defense.
What that means is, we are not engaged in philosophical dialogue with individuals who are addressing their concerns for reasonable and fair treatment in terms of their personal redemption.
It is a Self-Defense issue which motivates the concern.
If the Lawless, possessing unlawful arms, are permitted to freely operate in a community, there will be no recognizable community operating by Law, but only a community operating in lawlessness, at the lowest level of human interaction.
Therefore, approaching the subject of Gangs from a therapeutic or redemptive perspective is valid, but not precisely valid in propositions for self defense.
Thanks for your comment.
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