Gary Reeder Revolvers

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Any opinions concerning Gary Reeder revolvers. I was looking at a 44 mag on the internet that looked pretty neat. I saw a Coyote in 327 Federal that seemed real nice. Someone on another forum pointed out that he was one of those guys you either loved or hated or loved to hate.
 
Never seen one. Looked him up. Prices are crazy high for some of those. Lol charging 850 bucks for a base gun I could buy new in box for 560. Ripoff alert to me.
 
Third tier custom or semi-custom production guns. Often way over polished. He's popular because his prices are much lower than other custom gunsmiths but you also get a lot less work done on similar conversions. He doesn't believe in lineboring and doesn't block actions. Has a reputation of going off on potential customers who ask seemingly innocuous questions like those about getting their old parts back. Gary has no idea how to do "best grade"' work.
 
It has been said that Reeder=Arrogance+Bunkhouse Chicken Scratching+High Prices.
Denis
 
my only contact with him was when i wanted him to do what should have been a fairly simple conversion for someone like him, to my Dan Wesson 445 Super mag. I wanted a 41 cal. barrel made to fit and put in the shroud, and a cylinder made chambered in one of his 41 GnR cartridges, i think it was 41GNR 2 but i dont remember exactly.. he frustratedly said he had no time for such things (i offered to pay him what ever he needed and said there was no rush what so ever and would even drop off and pick up the gun when finished in person if he would like) after which he directed me to a gunbroker listing for a 357 maximum ruger and said he would make one out of that. i told him that's not what i was after, but i would think about it. the whole conversation i thought was rather puzzling as I hadnt asked him to do anything he didnt claim he could do on his website... but oh well. I decided not to pursue it further, and for custom work I will go elsewhere.
 
When you ask him to do something he either can't do or is uncomfortable with, rather than being up front about it, he kinda pouts and/or tells you you don't need it.
 
Interesting responses. I used to live in the same town as him up until about a year ago. He has some cool looking guns in his shop that’s for sure. I’ve never gotten true custom work done by him. I’ve been in his shop a number of times and shot the breeze with him and he was genuinely cool to me. Had him do a barrel switch on a savage rifle for me once, he didn’t even make me leave it there, just did it right on the spot in like 15 minutes. A few years back I inherited a colt python from my uncle, but it was left in a soft case for a couple years on his boat and was in really rough shape. $300 and a week later Gary had it looking like it was factory new. I’m not a fanboy, but just thought I’d weigh in on my in person experience. All that being said, I’ve never dealt with him for anything remotely custom or complicated.
 
Over the years, I've found that some of the best gunsmiths and Bird Dog Breeders don't have the best people skills, even tho they are very good at what they do otherwise. I sometimes wonder if this difficulty in getting alone with people is what made them delve into their profession so heavily.
 
Over the years, I've found that some of the best gunsmiths and Bird Dog Breeders don't have the best people skills, even tho they are very good at what they do otherwise. I sometimes wonder if this difficulty in getting alone with people is what made them delve into their profession so heavily.
In this case, he has neither. He's a third rate gunsmith and has no people skills. I've dealt with several big name gunsmiths who do first rate work and Gary is the only one who has the reputation of losing his marbles with people. My opinion was formed years earlier but I walked into his shop in 2012 and pretty much confirmed what I already knew. There was a Colt Officer's Model Match that had been "engraved", polished and blued. It looked fine from a distance but in hand it was a travesty. It had some pitting that only made him press harder against the buffing wheel but it never went away. Just kinda looked worse. His "engraving" is done on an EDM with stencils. He just places the stencil where he thinks it looks best and has at it. Sometimes it looks halfway decent, sometimes it looks stupid. The sad part is that some people actually think his work is comparable to that of Bowen, Linebaugh, Huntington, Stroh, etc.. Since some don't know what to look for, I took two examples and pointed out everything wrong with them. This is just what you can see and doesn't even address the differences within.

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Wow. I remember seeing pics of his "engraved" revolvers in some gun rags back in the 80s and 90s and thought, "ew..." but that stuff is truly horrible. The baseline is off on 454 Casull also... and the inconsistent border. that kind of thing drives me batty.
 
In this case, he has neither. He's a third rate gunsmith and has no people skills.

Since, as you know, I'm not a big fan of engraved guns, I never looked at his offerings with any discern. Again, the lack of people skills is something many artists and craftsmen share. Some of my best bird dogs came from breeders who were ornery and full of themselves and the dogs they produced. I often thought it was this narcissism and inflated ego that drove them to breed what they thought was the "ultimate" bird dog. I worked construction for over 40 years. Some of the best cabinet makers, trim men and those who specialized in custom casework, had little or no people skills either. Devoted themselves to their trade and couldn't really care less/more, how many friends they made doing it. They did not take to constructive criticism very well either, and tended to belittle or chastise anyone who questioned their methods or results. Still, like custom guns, folks look at custom woodworking differently also. What looks like to me, to be a High School Wood Tech project, to others is a work of art. What looks like poor woodworking skills to me, is considered by others as "primitive" and sells for High Dollar. Again, I have no experience to Reeder's work or his attitude, nor am I trying to justify or endorse them in any way. Just that his personality is not that different than many others that consider themselves to be the best at something. His actions also resemble the old W.C. Fields quote, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullcrap.’
 
I understand and have encountered that myself. I assure you, that is not the case here. I always thought that when you were the best, you didn't have to be egotistical and belligerent. The best in this particular field, such as Bowen, Stroh and Huntington, exemplify that. One exception to that is Dave Lanara. His work is very good but he runs his mouth and derides Turnbull publicly.
 
Once upon a time, there was a gunwriter.
Said gunwriter ran across mention of a particular fantasy model long-slide 1911 pistol, in 10mm, manufactured by Junior, at his dad's facility in a certain Southwestern state somewhere down near Mexico.

Dad was well known for arrogance and....other things.
Junior, turns out, inherited Dad's arrogance.

The fantasy pistol looked mildly interesting, and gunwriters are always looking for guns to write about.
After getting the editorial go-ahead, a test sample was requested of Junior, and duly delivered.

It was a polished-up tricked-out theme pistol, with "engraving" and other "improvements", and the sale price was $2700.
Herman Munster might have liked it.

After the writer fired it, he got back with Junior to discuss the range results.
Junior was not happy when the writer questioned performance and one or two of the "improvements".
The writer pointed out, politely, that the slide action was sluggish and seemed undersprung, asked about the thought behind the thumb safety modification that no longer locked the slide in place when activated, and mentioned that the $2700 custom pistol did not shoot as accurately as a box-stock Colt 1911 in 10mm that he'd worked with a few months before.

Junior became so indignant that he demanded his pistol back immediately and refused any further participation in the article.
He also contacted the writer's editor at the publishing company, informed him that the writer was obviously incompetent, knew nothing whatever about high-dollar custom pistols, and that his Dad's company was pulling their ad account until the writer was fired.

The writer, incidentally, had worked with a $4500 full-on custom Cylinder & Slide long-slide 1911 within a year of this occurrence, had worked with a number of high-end custom pistols from other custom shops previously, and had actually experienced a broken link during testing of the C&S pistol, which was discussed with Bill Laughridge, C&S owner, over the phone.

When that writer had a question about test results, or wanted to discuss & give a company a chance to explain, he commonly would call, to get a good overall picture for readers.

When he described the broken link to Laughridge on the C&S pistol, Laughridge said "We apparently fitted the barrel too tightly & the link was stressed. Go ahead and write it up the way you found it. We goofed."
No tantrums.
A class act.
An honest man who stands by his work, and is one of the biggest names in the 1911 biz.

As opposed to Junior, who has no real credentials, falls apart when his work is discussed (by a QUALIFIED writer), and throws a major hissy-fit in vindictively striking out against that writer and throwing power around that he didn't actually have to get him fired.
That writer was never fired, incidentally.
Junior got his pistol back, and the article was canceled.

Just a story, of course.....
Denis
 
RE "engraving". I was in his shop in Flag years ago looking around. I asked a couple questions about some of the guns in the case hed worked on, he mentioned "engraving", and I responded, "its electro-acid etching, not engraving". He shot back "Nobody does hand engraving any more!", which was interesting, because at that moment, I knew of 3 decent to very good engravers in Flag alone, and a number in various places. The stencils mentioned above are not expensive (at least when I asked another gunsmith about them years ago), and can be re-used several times I believe depending on how deep one runs them. None of them look like quality engraving style or work in any way to me.

I like good engraving. Some looks better than others depending on depth and engravers style, and the styles of work used. The decorative electro-acid etching Ive seen looks like its at home on entry level cheapo guns, cheap and cheesy, not anything that should be called custom.
 
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The term "bunkhouse chicken scratching", incidentally, has its roots in the bunkhouses of the larger ranches of the late 1800s.

During the winters, when time hung heavy for whatever hired hands had stayed on through the cold season with little outdoor work to do, it was a somewhat common way to kill time by "decorating" personal items with a nail.

Leather, wood, occasionally a gun.
Little skill, amateurish results.
Bunkhouse chicken scratching.

There's a world of difference between that and true engraving as artwork by a professional.
Denis
 
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