Gay Libertarians oppose San Francisco gun ban

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Gay Libertarians oppose San Francisco gun ban

Several Libertarian groups in the San Francisco Bay area have joined with members of gay gun rights group the Pink Pistols, Gun Owners of California and other advocacy groups in condemning a proposed ban on firearms within the San Francisco city and county limits.

"San Francisco has already made it inordinately difficult to defend one's self while on the street, at the ATM or while using public transit, by their overly strict policy in granting concealed handgun permits,†said Michael Acree, chair of the San Francisco chapter of the Outright Libertarians -- a group that promotes the Libertarian Party to the gay community.

“Now they plan on making it equally difficult for us to defend ourselves and our loved ones in the places we live, by confiscating our handguns from our very homes and apartments," Acree said. "I do not want to be turned into a sitting duck by the board of supervisors."

The proposed law would go into effect on Jan. 1, 2006 -- and city residents would have to surrender their handguns within 90 days of that time, to avoid penalties. The proposed law would also prohibit the local sale of other firearms and ammunition.

"While the right of self-defense is the most important principle here, there is also the matter of taking property by threat of force, without just compensation," said Richard Newell, vice-chair of the San Francisco chapter of the Outright Libertarians.

"In my book that is called robbery," Newell said. "We support the Gun Owners of California and the California Rifle and Pistol Association in their legal efforts to block this proposal from ever making it to the ballot."
 
THR and TFL should support the Pink Pistols, regardless of how we feel about their lifestyle. The gay community has a strong influence in San Francisco government, and gun-friendly gays are good for all of us.
 
I don't know anyone on THR that does NOT support the Pink Pistols. I think we have a few of them in our midst, though I can't recall who they are - which is how it should be, if you ask me.
 
lwsimon, I think his point was, that while some of us (not all of us obviously) are likely to oppose a homosexual lifestyle, that we should put away that difference and realize they're on our side. I concur with that.
 
I believe my high school physics teacher said it correctly over a cup of coffee:

You may consider Homosexuality morally wrong, but it is a moral atrocity for the government to immortalize that opinion in law.
 
lwsimon, I think his point was, that while some of us (not all of us obviously) are likely to oppose a homosexual lifestyle, that we should put away that difference and realize they're on our side. I concur with that.
Agreed, though I really don't care if they're gay, it doesn't affect me at all.
 
The only reason I care that they are gay, is because in that particular town, the gay community has a lot of pull in government, hence my statement that gun-friendly gays are good for us. Gun friendly anyone is good for us, but in this case, the Pink Pistols particular lifestyle is an extra good thing for us gun folk.
 
Leftism depends on fear, ignorance, superstition, racism, resentment, and feelings of helpless rage.

You forgot moral ambiguity, class jealousy and feelings of inadeqacy

WildtheviciousbootofcaptitalistexploitationAlaska
 
I'm astounded that one of the persons interviewed for the article only spoke of a right to self defense, when in fact they have a constitutional right to bear arms. The city of San Francisco can no more take away that right than they could freedom of speech. The fact that no one is calling them on this worries me - are people that brainwashed into ignorance about thier rights??
 
Yes. People are that brainwashed.

And, support for anyone who embraces their gun rights isn't a given. It needs to be said out loud that Homosexuals, Democrats, libertarians, anyone who supports gun rights should be free to support the agenda.

I am a pretty liberal person (ok, very) and was run out of IDPA for my long hair and blatant pagan lifestyle.

It needs to be said that homosexuals are welcome in the ranks, no matter how obvious it seems.
 
Pink Pistols....

If a person wants to be gay, hats off to ya it isn't my business. I just don't get why acting like a girl is a prerequisite...
 
dolanp, please read the forum rules.

We have learned from bitter experience that discussions of abortion, religion and sexual orientation often degenerate into less-than-polite arguments or claims that "my God is better than your God". For this reason, we do not discuss such subjects on THR, and any threads dealing primarily with these subjects will be closed or deleted immediately. Threads which deal with other subjects, but which mention abortion, religion or sexual orientation as a side issue, may be allowed to continue, but will be closely scrutinized, and closed or deleted if they "cross the line".

Thanks,

Matt Payne
Member, Minnesota Pink Pistols (and not the least bit girly -- not that there's anything wrong with that! :))
 
Demsi;

The main thing on this board is that it dosen't matter the orientation of a person, it is more about the belief of personal freedom, responsability, and integrity of said person.

As to S.F. (the cradle of tolerance), they need to get a clue!
 
You may consider Homosexuality morally wrong, but it is a moral atrocity for the government to immortalize that opinion in law.
I'm glad he did not teach logic. The idea that an opinion based on morality should not be codified into law is ridiculous. All our laws have at their base some form of moral foundation. By extension of that argument, we have "You may consider [slavery/rape/child molestation] morally wrong, but it is a moral atrocity for the government to immortalize that opinion in law."
 
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