Just for fun. Sellier & Bellot less lethal rubber buckshot and rubber slug are fired into calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin. Not sure I can figure out a poll for this one, but feel free to make predictions before you watch the video.
I confess to not understanding the concept of 'less than lethal' or 'less lethal' ammunition. I hold to the idea that by the time you feel you need to use a gun, you need to kill the attacker. Period. Stop the attack positively and permanently.
But as usual, YMMV.
Of course.That's true, but less lethal munitions rely on pain compliance alone, while traditional ammunition can cause physical incapacitation due to hypovolemic shock, damage to the CNS, or damage to the skeletal system.
A political thought about using rubber projectiles.
People who think Police are the answer – don’t have a problem.
There will Never be enough official authorities to be on the spot when trouble happens. We the people need to have the laws changed to allow not only self protection but Limited punishment delivered on the spot.
Less lethal rubber ammo, tasers, pepper spray & stun guns are recognized agreed upon responses from authorities. They should also be available to the public with law that allow their use. Perhaps as part of Castle Doctrine, stand your ground legal responses to bad things happening – both 2 legged and 4 legged.
What? I don't understand what that means.A political thought about using rubber projectiles.
People who think Police are the answer – don’t have a problem.
Right. That's a given.There will Never be enough official authorities to be on the spot when trouble happens.
Wait... WHAT? "Punishment?" Seriously? Like, you mean, spank the bad boy for trying to mug you? With "less lethal" ammo, for example?We the people need to have the laws changed to allow not only self protection but Limited punishment delivered on the spot.
Well, not exactly. Those are all compliance devices. They exist to coerce someone to cease violent action, hopefully without permanently harming them, so they can be subdued, brought to the court, found by society either guilty or not, and subsequently sentenced to punishment for their crimes.Less lethal rubber ammo, tasers, pepper spray & stun guns are recognized agreed upon responses from authorities.
There are relatively few laws which prohibit a citizen from using any of these things, in most jurisdictions.They should also be available to the public with law that allow their use. Perhaps as part of Castle Doctrine, stand your ground legal responses to bad things happening – both 2 legged and 4 legged.
Something to keep in mind; skin tension is high and takes a lot to get through. I've heard just puncturing the skin is equal to a few inches in gel, something to consider in relation to a rubber slug in gel.
Ok, but if you can't explain it in text, what good with face-to-face or voice communications on the matter be?You make valid points, but this is where online posting has limits of understanding.
Well, agreed. Or actually, I think I'd say it this way: Knowing that rubber rounds penetrate minimally in gel IS useful to the citizen because understanding the only lawful instances where one may employ a firearm against someone else, that helps the citizen understand why they aren't a very useful option.Knowing that rubber rounds will do minimal penetration in gel is valuable – but not useful with existing laws in many places.
And if you have justification to "shoo" the coyote with a rubber bullet, in defense of life, you have the justification to stop its attack with a lead bullet, too.2 things came to mind for rubber projectiles. 4 dogs have been attached with 2 killed by coyotes in the past few days. This is dogs being walked by their owners or in their own backyard.
Being able to “shoo” the coyote off with a rubber bullet would probably more effective than what the police are advocating. “make noise with rocks in a can or shout”.
Boy, that's gonna need a LOT more information before anyone could make a claim based on the bare bones of the story. For one, if someone's attacking you with a screwdriver, and you have an articulable, reasonable fear for your life, rubber bullet or lead bullet doesn't make any difference. You'll present your self-defense case to the jury and plead "self-defense." If a jury decides that your fear was reasonable, your act was appropriate and you'll be acquitted of guilt. (In theory.)A local man is in prison for murder. He shot a teen who was in the process of stealing his girlfriends car. The teen had a screwdriver. The man shot and killed the teen.
I'll bet the man would have liked the option of shooting with a rubber round instead of a JHP.