Glock 20sf vs Eaa Witness

[millertyme]

I'll echo the often-overlooked Smith 1006. If I were to get a 10mm, that would be the one I'd get. S&W has great CS, as does Glock, but I like steel framed pistols.

Great, now I'll be thinking about getting a 10mm again.

 

[hardluk1]

Skalgar You are a wealth of tumeing info. I have found most at the brian enoss eaa forum but you still have more tuneing tricks and all in one place. I don't have a 10mm and don't want one but the mag tricks work well with most any gun with plastic followers and the ejection rod trick is a must do. Even my 40 and 9mm will chunk brass 25' plus when new. Keep filling down till brass now falls about 8 feet with both. Right on with the springs too. Biggest thing wrong with the witness line is a limited amount of help for shooters and no basic tuneing knowledge for many pistol shooters. Good write up. Rcbs has there push through die for full sizeing of 40 and 10mm brass too.

 

[atblis]

One nice thing about the Witness is that it doesn't bulge brass like the Glock 20 does. Never needed a push through type die with mine, even with nuclear loads. I guess if you were using brass that had already been through a Glock, then sure.

 

[loop]

I have owned the EAA Elite Match, Glock 20 and Colt Delta Elite in 10mm. IMHO the Colt is by far the best. OTOH, I build custom 1911s for fun and profit.

The Tanfoglio had the best gun before serious customizing of any of them. I did replace the recoil spring, hammer spring, sights and firing pin (with titanium) before I ever fired it. It was the most accurate, best trigger, etc. However, I did numerous upgrades, including have a machine shop custom mill a pair of aluminum 32 LPI grips.

The Glock was a specially equipped model sent direct from the company to me. It had every bell and whistle available at the time. It had typical Glock accuracy, which is to say acceptable but not great. Even after sending it back twice and taking it to several gunsmiths it never did feed reloads. It was 100 percent reliable with factory loads, but never, ever returned to battery even after ordering a custom built sizing die to remove the bulge from the base of the case.

Due to its unreliable nature and mediocre accuracy I traded it off.

The Delta Elite is one of the finest handguns I've ever owned. OTOH, I customize 1911s and although I only did the specific work I wanted it would cost the average person more than $2,000 to duplicate it. It has a 2 lb, 12 oz, trigger pull with no pretravel or overtravel. The frame to slide to bushing to barrel fit has no play whatsoever. It is dead on accurate and 100 percent reliable with everything from my cast plinking loads to full house SD loads.

That said, because of weight and balance and recovery time, I shoot the EAA in IDPA/USPSA/Action pistol.

I carry the Delta Elite as a sidearm a lot.

I sold the Glock. It was too much trouble. It had a Glock trigger. It had Glock accuracy. Those qualities do not cut it for me.

I do admit though, the Glock was the only one of the three that I did not customize myself, but had it all done at the factory. If the Tanfoglio or the Delta had issues they were probably corrected in my initial customization before they were even fired. I never fire an auto until I have at least replaced the recoil spring and mag springs. It is really rare to find an auto that has the right spring setup NIB, IMHO.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Wasn't the issue with the 10mm witnesses on the 2nd or third generation where they changed the slide profile and thinned it in some very important areas leading to the cracked slide problems??

 

[atblis]

Witness 10mms have always cracked slides. The round profiles ones just did it more.