Glock 26 or CZ 2075 RAMI (9mm) ?

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I'm thinking of changing my carry gun from the Glock 27 to either a Glock 26 or a CZ2075 in 9mm. From what I've found so far the Glock is a little more money ($490 vs. $460). The Glock will hold 12 rounds versus the CZ's 10 (that is if you can find the mags). No manual safety to worry about on the Glock. The CZ definitely has the edge on looks :) but I'm guessing that because of the exposed hammer it won't be as "snag-free".

The main reason I want to switch my carry gun from .40S&W to the 9mm is because I've found that I'm a much better shot with my CZ75 in 9mm then either my Glock 27 or my .40 BHP.
 
I can't comment on the CZ, but I can recommend, very highly, the G26. Mine is exceptionally accurate and extremely reliable. In fact, I can shoot it equally or better than many larger frame pistols.

I've shot both, the G26 & 27, and have been pleased with the performance of both models. The recoil on the G27 is more, but still managable. Unless you're terribly inaccurate with the G27, why not keep it?
 
I was deciding between the same guns about 2 months ago, I even did a poll thread about Glock 26 vs. CZ RAMI vs. SA XD-9 subcompact vs. Steyr S9.l

I ended up getting a Steyr S9 for $269, mainly because I love my Steyr M9 and both fit in the same holsters, have the same sights, use the same mags, etc. The Steyr S9 is just the perfect size and fit for my hand (big hands w/ skinny, long fingers). I can fit all three fingers on the grip, very comfortably.

I also bought some 10 round Steyr S40 magazines and closed in the feedlips to get them to hold 12 rounds of 9mm, works flawlessly. Also, because it can use the M9's mags, I can carry a 14 round backup magazine.

So I got a Glock/HK/Sig quality carry gun that is comletely familiar to me and allows me to train with a fullsize with the same mags and controls for $269. It has been flawless and I love it.

Glock 26 would have been my next choice for carry and the RAMI 3rd. If you haven't already, give a look at a Steyr S9 or S40, you can't beat them for $269 (from CDNN). I love mine.

As you can see from this pic, the Baby Glock is just barely smaller than the S9, but the Steyr is still easy to conceal and allows you a full grip. And if you add a finger extension to the Glock's magazine, they have almost the same grip height. Not only that, but the Steyr has metal sights (Glock's are plastic), it has a lower bore axis for less muzzle flip, a smoother, slightly lighter stock trigger, same number of internal safeties, one manual safety and a loaded chamber indicator.

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My wife carries a RAMI, and loves it. She has had zero problems with it. The heavier weight of the alloy versus the poly Grock helps hold felt recoil down, and the trigger is easy to use in DA or SA. The RAMI can be carried Cocked and Locked, as well. It's a little smaller than the Grock, I believe, and shoots better for me. Hi cap mags can be used, anything up to the Cz75 standard 15 rounders! Just like the Grock....at a cheaper price.
The finger rest on the mags need to be tried first, as some don't like the way they ride, and one guy I know is trying to get Peirce to make a new one for it. Eric makes holsters, and Hakan makes grips, too.
I am biased - I love CZ, and can't stand Grock. I can shoot it well enough to qualify expert in my Dept, but I don't like anything about them. Isn't America great, where there are enough handgun choices to make everyone happy? :)
 
Biased as well.... CZ RAMI

The SA XD Subcompact might be a really good option as well.

Also, certainly nothing wrong with the Glock 26. I personally can't get used to the trigger. The XD in my humble opinion has a much better trigger then the glock.

Mike
 
Gonna go against the crowd here.

The CZ RAMI is a good little gun, don't get me wrong -- but I greatly prefer the Glock 26.

The G26 is lighter than the RAMI, and that makes it a better gun for carrying all day long. No matter how good your gear is, that extra weight gets annoying and fatiguing in a hurry.

The trigger pull on the G26 is the same every time. The DA on RAMI means you'll have to learn two different trigger pulls, and work on smoothly and effortlessly transitioning between them, if you're going to use it as a defense gun. (And yeah, you can do that -- lots of people do -- but why if you don't have to?)

Speaking of defense gun, if you decide to carry the RAMI cocked & locked, mimicking the 1911, you'll need to really, really practice flipping that safety off. Especially since you are coming from a Glock platform already, there's a learning curve there you really can't safely ignore. Again, lots of people switch from one platform to another, but why do it if you don't have to?

Without a mechanical decocker, the RAMI is prone to fumbly-fingered mishaps. I hate that. Okay, fine, that's personal preference, but I bet I'm not the only person in the world who's ever fumbled while trying to hold onto a hammer.

The trigger on the RAMI is too heavy even in SA mode. 9 1/2 pounds in SA? Nuts.

Okay, now that I've ranted for a bit. There's really nothing wrong with the RAMI. It's a good little gun, just not for me. Only thing to add is if you do change, please be sure you practice enough with it to build the new manual of arms into your muscles.

Ah, and as long as you're comparing guns, you might also want to look at the XD-9. Especially if you found you are shooting better with a different grip or grip angle, the XD might be just the ticket. Not too different in operation from your familiar Glock, but with a more 1911-esque grip angle.

pax
 
I tried a Glock 26 for a while and found it too bulky.
However, if you've been carrying a G27, then the same holster will fit the G26, and retraining yourself would be a non-issue.

I've heard nothing but good things about CZ guns in general, but I've got to agree with the above poster, that the extra weight will be a turn off.
I tried several .45s as carry guns, but when I strapped on the light weight Glock 36, I was hooked.
(And now that I've adjusted to the G36, the G26 probably wouldn't seem so bulky anymore.)
Compared to any .45, the G26 is a creampuff for all day carry.

I also don't like a safety on a carry gun, or two different trigger systems to learn.
Just a personal preference.

When I think my life may be on the line, my motto is KISS.

:)
 
I hate to follow the crowd, but my vote goes to the Rami. I would trade my G27 for one in a flash - primarily because my perceptions of the two are nearly the exact opposite of Pax’s.

I agree on the weight. Weight – even the small difference here – becomes quite noticeable in short order. Definitely a consideration.

The trigger system is a matter of experience. I’ve used 1911’s and CZ style semis almost exclusively. I’ve been so conditioned to the DA/SA system on CZ’s that the transition for me is automatic. Despite having had a few models, Glock triggers still seem alien to me. Just can’t get used to the springy reset.

I suppose I could be the poster-boy for the need to drill on a new manual of arms – just a bit backwards. Flicking off the safety is so ingrained in me I catch myself thumbing an imaginary lever on the side of my G27 every time I point it. For that reason a de-cocker is also wholly undesirable. I have visions of that conditioned reflex leaving me with a safely de-cocked gun at precisely the wrong time!

But the most deciding factor for me is the grip. Mid size, small size, smooth, finger grooved … none make a difference – Glocks just don’t fit my hand well. The Rami does. Guess after too many years of 1911’s and CZ’s the ol’ hand took a “setâ€.

I was rather surprised to fondle an XD for the first time the other day (yeah, I know – slow on the uptake … they’ve been around for how long?). It had a much better feel, was more comfortable, and pointed naturally. It seems a viable option for those who don’t find the feel of the Glock to their taste.

No flame to Glocks here. They are great machines that will serve their purpose well. Guess I’m just an old dog that’s more comfortable staying with what works for me.

Best I can tell you TheOtherOne is ponder the reasons you shoot the CZ better. That accuracy may not translate to the smaller version, but the comfort level and familiarity could make a difference.
 
Re:g26-rami

I replaced my G26 with a RAMI 9mm and then a RAMI 40. I just prefer the DA/SA for CCW vs a striker fired gun. This more than makes up for the extra weight (~5oz) in the RAMI, at least for me (I don't carry all day, except on weekends/nights when I'm out). CZ is also now selling 14rnd mags, with extended grips to give the RAMI 9mm a full size grip, if/when needed. I suspect this will give you 10-11 rnds in 40S&W whenever those mags are released.
 
Both are nice guns, but it seems to me you'd be better off keeping the 27 and spending the money you saved going to the range and practicing until you can shoot the 27 as well as you shoot the 26.
 
Humm.

Never shot a CZ handgun.
I personally have no problem with C&L , I have CCW-ed full and Commander Sized 1911s forever, that training dealie pax referred to. Applicable to anything ...

I pick guns based on what fits me and what I can get the quickest and accurate shots with. I do this test from concealment btw.

I have posted before about Hackathorn's test , with the typing paper and timed 5 shots from concealemnt being a great indicator for what a person shoots best at any level of skill. Skill levels change, improve as one learns, decline due to age or injury.

Personally I prefer a SA ( like 1911) or DA only, I learned on revolvers, So the DAO semi's are not that difficult for me. Glocks, Keltec P-11s, Rugers...

I don't do DA/SA guns. I don't do guns with safeties that are mounted on slides or go "Up".

I want to do the same MOA I have practiced and trained myself to do all these years.

G 26 is great gun, shoots well , and hold up in all sorts of climates. When I shoot a G26 , a Keltec P-11 , or revolver, my thumb will snick off a "safety" becasue of all them times I have on a 1911. I shoot High thumbs on all handguns. This repetition of MOA on my part in no way hinders the operation or my times to get on target with a G26 or revolver.

Try before you buy, use good gear, training and the point of BA/UU/R may be better monies spent than a new firearm are worth considering.
 
The 12 round magazine for the G26 is an extended magazine. And yes I like the G26 more than the RAMI, though both are good pistols.
 
Own both, shoot both, carry the CZ!

Won't say a bad thing about the G26. It is a fine, fine gun particularly for CCW. I must admit to having a personal "thing" about Glock's Safe Action system and have never been able to get comfortable with it. But that is nothing against the gun per se.

The RAMI is also a fine, small gun. It has been totally reliable, sufficiently accurate, and hicaps are now available for it too. It has been, and remains, my personal choice. Good shooting;)
 
Good information. Thanks!

I think I would probably be better off going with the G26. It's pretty much what I'm use to. The CZ just looks so much cooler though! :)

You are probably right that I should just practice more on the .40 G27 but I think I'm a little recoil shy. With the .40's I can almost always hit the paper, but I don't get much of anything that I would call a group. The 9mm CZ is a different story though. I can get groups that I'm almost proud to show off. Of course, it's also a good excuse to get a new gun.
 
TheOtherOne, forgive me in advance for being a bit harsh, but I believe what I am about to write is for your own good. Your response shows that you really do need to practice a lot more, but it's more than just shooting practice you need--you need to practice on your attitude. You are dooming yourself to failure by allowing yourself to fall back on your canned excuses. Recoil, smecoil. My carry gun is a Taurus 605, a 2-inch snubbie that I regularly shoot with .357 loads. You want to talk about recoil? But I enjoy it. Sure, it starts to sting a bit after 50-100 rounds, but you get used to it.

You get used to it, that is, if you don't prevent yourself from toughening up by allowing yourself the luxury of falling back on excuses. If you can psyche yourself into not being able to handle the recoil of a .40 caliber, you can psyche yourself into not being able to handle the recoil of a 9mm. In other words, if you are letting your fears and insecurities prevent you from mastering the 27, a simple change in hardware is not going to cure your psyche. You need to fix the problem with your internal software before you start throwing money at hardware.

I speak from experience. I think we've all been through what you're going through. We've all let our fears talk us into believing our own excuses. Your situation is nothing unique. But it is easily solved--master your Glock 27, and you will have begun to master your fears.

Good luck. You can do this if you put your mind to it.
 
I've owned both guns. When I got my RAMI, my G26 went to the trading table for yet another CZ pistol.

After years of trying, I can't warm up to polymer guns. The G26 is a great
little pistol, but I would prefer a CZ-100 with trigger modifications..if I went
back to plastique:) The Steyr a second. I like how low the slide rides.

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Another vote for taking a look at the XD-9 SC.

2500 absolutely trouble free rounds through mine. Eats everything I throw at it. And just so nice shooting for a subcompact.

When I was shopping I also looked at the G-26, Rami, Kahr etc.

For the price, I came to the conclusion that the XD could not be beat.
 
My vote goes to the Springy XD-9C...

Mine sleeps in the bed right beside me, on her silk pillow, I had made for her shortly after we met... covered up as we speak to keep her warm, there are times when I actually cry when I leave her at home alone..I mean what if she gets scared?? Why must we always leave the ones we love to goto a job that we hate?? ...my precioussssssssssssssssssss

CZ sent me a Rami when they first came out....Nice little weapon, just not for me...Sent it back..

Glock?? have tried one...Nothing bad to say about it, except for..ahh..well its a GROCK! :)


The CHIMERA is coming....
 
I vote for the CZ.

If you want a striker-type pistol, what about the S&W SW99 Compact? They are my favorite of the striker pistols.
 
I have a RAMI in .40 because I shoot it better and it points better than the baby Glocks for me. Snag issues mean I had to practice my pocket draws a bit before I got the best method down. I shoot Glocks very well too but I shoot the RAMI better. The extra weight of the RAMI helps. Since it's an alloy frame almost all the extra weight is in the slide where it does a good job of taming recoil.

AFAIK no real options for night sights on the RAMI that I can find. So if you want night sights go Glock.

Haven't had a chance to try the Steyr but I like their ergos and sights. Can't say I've gotten to try the XDs yet either. Don't like the ergos on them as much though.
 
I'm officially changing my recommendation. Sort of. I've been shopping for an autoloader carry gun and have been doing a lot of fast-shooting target practice. I've had to accept the fact that I shoot a traditional SA/DA trigger gun better than I shoot a Glock-style safety trigger gun. I can shoot my Glock 21 extremely well if I put my mind to it, in slow, measured target shooting. But for rapid-fire defense excercises, I shoot my CZ75B much more accurately. I mentioned I had this problem when I took my concealed carry test. It seems to persist even with lots of practice. It seems I will always have to think about shooting a Glock- or XD-style trigger to shoot it well. In a situation where there is no time to think, I'd be better off with a traditional trigger. It looks like I'm going to go with the Rami. Now I just need to decide between .40 and 9mm. I'm inclined to get the .40, but the 9mm would be better for a shooting room competition that a local range is setting up.

As for the "sort of" changing my recommendation, if you shoot the Glock-style trigger system well and that's what you are used to, you should probably stick with what works.
 
Thanks for the link. I've been curious about that magazine. I've been waiting to see a sample before subscribing, but haven't seen one anywhere.
 
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