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I currently have a Glock 32 (compact, .357 sig round) service pistol and can't seem to come to grips with how it feels in my hand. I think it's because I have a relatively small hand. The glock just feels like a board in my hand.

In addition to my problems with the Glock's ergonomics, or perhaps because of, I don't shoot the pistol near as well as my buddies 1911. I can't seem to stop pushing the trigger, shooting low left.

I was thinking about trying a Sig p226, p229, or the 250. I'm just looking for a better fit. Anybody had a similar issue that has shot both pistols?
 
I lot of people have said they have the same problem with the Glock. (Low left) I understand it takes a while to get used to. Glock is a good weapon, but I did not like the feel and went with a Walther P99. I shot better with it the first time than any time with the Glock. I don't know about the other pistols. My .02 Good Luck.
 
Another reason I was really looking at the Sig is that it obviously comes in .357 and as long as I shoot that round I get the training ammo free.
 
I own a Sig 228 and 225. The 228 is basically the same as a 9mm 229 and the 225 is a single stacked version of the 228.
I also own a Glock 22 and have shot G17s, and 19s.

The Sigs definitely fit my hand better.
The problems with Glocks are the grip angle, square edges of the grip, and the thickness of the backstrap swell.
The Sig grip angle is like a 1911's.

You may like a Sig more than a Glock, I certainly do.
But, the only way to find out is to shoot a Sig.
Some people don't like the decocker hump found on double stacked Sigs. The hump can make for a funky grip for some people. I don't like the hump, that's why I got a 225.

Sigs are kind of expensive.
If you like the overall design of the Glock but don't want to pay for a Sig, then take a look at the S&W M&P or the Springfield XDm. Both have much better grips and aren't as expensive as Sigs.

I just recently picked up a CZ 75 SP-01. CZs are probably the best in grip fit. They're fairly cheap too, costing about the same as a Glock for the regular CZ 75B.

So...in summary: You'll almost certainly like a Sig more than a Glock. You should also take a look at the M&P, XD/XDm, and CZ 75B.
 
Same problem

I have the same problem with Glocks; grip is too big in circumference. Or, my hand and fingers are too short.

I recently have been using an H&K P2000. The grip size is far more suitable for my hands. I would suggest you try one. Or you take a deep breath and get a 1911 type.

The SIG-Sauer pistols are very very engineered and made. I just don't like the hammer dropper safety. Also I find the SIGs to be large in the grip and the axis of the bore is pretty high above the grip level.
 
I can't seem to stop pushing the trigger, shooting low left.

Try doing these 2 things.

1. Make sure you are holding the pistol correctly with it centered in the "v" of your thumb and trigger finger and the bore axis aligned with your arm.

2. Use the middle of the first pad of your trigger finger and not the joint. This will allow a straight back pull of the trigger with the pistol supported and less likely to turn in the hand as you pull the trigger.

If you 2 handed use the non shooting hand for support only.

This may not feel as natural as your hand position when just picking the gun up but when learned it will become more natural and stop that annoying shooting to the left.

This is a good lesson on how to hold a pistol, though the demonstation is shot with a 1911 it is the same for any type gun.
Todd Jarrett IPSC Pistol Grip Lesson
 
My brother has a G17 and we have similiar sized hands (not that big). He added a hogue slip on grip and we both shoot it very well. It's significantly more comfortable and I don't shoot low-left like I do with my PT92. Might be worth a try for the $8 grip. I know it will increase the diameter a little but it just feels so nice.
 
FN makes a great feeling 357 sig. you may want to look at it. The other brands mentioned all have their own separete feel. I like the Glock 32 (got a new one 2 days ago) and i am amazed at it's accuracy. But it IS blocky but my hand likes it.

CHeck out gunbroker.com and FN.
 
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The best alternative to a Glock is a Glock. Buy the Glock in the caliber it was designed for; a 9mm. You want a .357 sig, buy a sig. Want a .45, buy a 1911. You will never go wrong with that philosophy. Buy the gun that was designed for the round.
 
A couple very good alternatives are the Springfield XD and XD-m, along with the Smith and Wesson M&P.

The XD-m and M&P have 3 back strap inserts allowing you to fit the gun to your hand. They also "point right," unlike the Glock
 
I love the Glock grip angle and the general ergonomics. I guess I'm just weird that way. I still want a 1911 though.

Probably the best alternative to the Glock would be the Springfield XD, as has been said already. I shot two of 'em (both in .45ACP) recently and was impressed. I like the simplicity of the glock better, though.

I had a Walther P990 that was a nice little gun, but I really hated the trigger on that thing. I love Glock triggers, although if I get another G17 I might replace a part to take the trigger pull from 5.5lbs to 3.5lbs just for the heck of it.
 
I really like Glocks, but the 20/21 frame is too fat for my hands.

The XDs smack the web of my hand.

My buddy Davis got a Taurus 24/7 last year. He actually likes it quite a bit, and it's incredibly inexpensive compared to other choices.

J
 
I have owned several semi-autos over the years, S&W's, Glocks, Bersa's ad naseum. hated them. The only one I liked was the 1911's, own 2. Then I bought a CZ 9MM. Now there is a great gun. Decided to try a CZ 75B. Love that one also. Kept the 1911's and CZ's and sold the rest.
 
You said "service pistol", is that what your issued? If so, is it really a good idea to be switching platforms for practice? Your not going to shoot the 32 any better if you do.

You may want to try switching to the 31. Its the full size version of the 32, and has a more comfortable grip.

Of the SIG models you listed, the P250 has the most comfortable grip. I have all three models and I think your going to find the 226 and 229 are about as wide as the Glock through the grip and wont feel a whole lot different in that respect. The only way for you to know for sure though, is to get one of each in your hands and see what fits. I dont believe the 357SIG conversion units are out yet for the P250, so you may have a wait there.

Not a related question here, but since you have and shoot the 32, are you experiencing any peening of the underside of the slide at the locking block? I have a 31 and its getting pretty beat up at that spot and I was wondering if its really a common thing. I've had a couple of people tell me its normal on the .40's and 357's, but I havent seen any others with it.
 
I was thinking about trying a Sig p226, p229, or the 250.
If you have smaller hands, the P226 and P229 have even bigger grips, as well as a longer reach to the trigger, than any Glock. The P250 might be better but I've never handled one. Personally, I would suggest the S&W M&P, which I've described as being a "better feeling Glock."
 
If you shoot well with a 1911, then dump the Glock (the quicker, the better) and get a 1911. Case closed
 
I currently have a Glock 32 (compact, .357 sig round) service pistol and can't seem to come to grips with how it feels in my hand. I think it's because I have a relatively small hand. The Glock just feels like a board in my hand.

In addition to my problems with the Glock's ergonomics, or perhaps because of, I don't shoot the pistol near as well as my buddies 1911. I can't seem to stop pushing the trigger, shooting low left.

I was thinking about trying a Sig p226, p229, or the 250. I'm just looking for a better fit. Anybody had a similar issue that has shot both pistols?

Well, I wasn’t going to reply to this thread; it’s already too long to be of interest to me; and, in a little while, I’ve got to leave the house. However, since you’ve mentioned, ‘service pistol’ I’ll take a few moments to help you out.

First, it’s kind ‘a odd for you to say a G-32 doesn’t fit your hand? (But, I’ll take you at your word.) Some internet ideas seem to have a life of their own! Right now, ‘pistol fit’ seems to be a really big, often repeated item on internet gun forums.

Back when I learned how to shoot (You know …… the, ‘dark ages’) we never worried about how a pistol fit the hand. We just picked whatever it was up and taught ourselves how to shoot it. I will add, however, that many people seemed to do combat pistol work better with a semiautomatic than with a revolver; but, over time, and with the examples of: Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, Jim Cirillo, and (of course) Jerry Miculek this too began to change.

You don’t say; but let’s assume you’re right handed – OK. I don’t think you’re, ‘pushing the trigger’. Instead I think you’re, ‘flinching out of sequence’ with the shot. You are, also, entirely correct: Your main problem is with your grip.

I’ll keep this short and sweet while, at the same time, saving you several thousand rounds of training ammunition. (1) You need to begin dry firing for 10 or 15 minutes twice everyday. I’ve been doing this for more than 50 years; and, I still dry fire (and continue to handle a pistol better than most) everyday! (2) Get over that, ‘I need the most comfortable gun in the world mentality.’ (3) You need to adjust your thinking and reflexes to the gun instead of the other way around. (4) Work to perfect your grip with the pistol you’re presently shooting.

In order to do this practice grabbing the pistol in exactly the same way every time.

THE PISTOL’S BACKSTRAP IS THE KEY TO IT ALL.

Make sure you always have the backstrap CENTERED into the web of your gun hand; and, set your strong hand as far up on the frame as possible. Recognize that it is impossible to accidentally tighten your fingers while firing or to jerk the trigger just before the sear breaks, …… IF you are already maintaining proper control of the backstrap!

How do you do this? (Good question!) You do it by, first, discovering the exact control point on the pistol’s backstrap – That’s how! This point, which I like to teach as the, ‘magic spot’ is located either at the midpoint on the backstrap, or else it’s on the backstrap’s highest point.

You can discover it by grasping the pistol very squarely and very tightly. The part that, ‘digs’ into your gun hand is what you’re looking for. Now, while I do NOT subscribe to a certain famous firearms instructor’s ridiculous assertion to, ‘white knuckle squeeze’ a combat pistol, I do recommend that you maintain very firm pressure on a backstrap’s, (Ready?) ‘magic spot’.

The human mind is a funny sort of thing. (As if you didn’t already know that, right!) It seems that the brain is only capable of focusing on one predominant thought at a time. Consequently, it’s been my experience that if you are consciously working at controlling a pistol’s backstrap, then, you will NOT be able to either flinch or tighten your grip while firing, and will stop dropping shots.

When you’re learning how to set your grip, remember to raise your thumb immediately after you grasp the pistol. Raise your thumb, squeeze the grip into your gun hand from FRONT TO BACK, and then return your thumb to a, more or less, straight forward pointing position.

Right now great shooting minds are arguing over whether or not any lateral pressure should be applied to the frame by the support hand – and especially by the support hand thumb. My answer? If you’re getting a lot of side-to-side shot dispersion, ram your support hand up tight underneath the trigger guard and press in harder with both of your thumbs.

All really good pistol shooting begins with the proper grip. After you’ve got the right grip, THEN, you can begin to concentrate on a proper trigger pull – Which in combat pistol work is actually more of a, ‘tap’ than either a, ‘pull’ or a, ‘press’. (This is particularly true whenever you fire a pistol very fast.)

Hope this helps you (and your service pistol) out. I’m now late; and I’ve got to go!)
 
1. Make sure you are holding the pistol correctly with it centered in the "v" of your thumb and trigger finger and the bore axis aligned with your arm.

2. Use the middle of the first pad of your trigger finger and not the joint. This will allow a straight back pull of the trigger with the pistol supported and less likely to turn in the hand as you pull the trigger.

If you 2 handed use the non shooting hand for support only.

Excellent advice on the basics for any weapon. I hated my Glock for the first 50 rounds, but I kept trying with it due to it's reputation for reliability and ruggedness. And once I returned to the basics listed above and started pulling the trigger 10 times on a snap cap for every live round that went downrange I began shooting as well as I ever did with my Colt Commander or Dan Wesson revolvers.

I have now joined the Glock Cult. I have been assimilated. :D
 
Ghost Walker,

Nice to see a post from some one who went to the same school I did (LOL). When I switched from over 20 years of carrying 1911s to Glocks they didn't point like the 1911s did. Dah! Those Colt 45 ACPs didn't point like the S&W N-Frame I was carrying before I qualified with the Government Model. And the N-Frame didn't point like the Ruger SAs I shot for fun before I got into law enforcement.

I learned to shoot each one, just as I learned the slight change in grip from the 3rd Gen G21 to the G21SF. You learn how to use the tool. Simple really, just takes work and attention to detail. Oh yea, that is kind of lost concept these days, isn't it!

Dave
 
xd... i have one now... if i had bought one when the first came out i never wouldve bought another glock again...
 
if you want to stick with .357 sig, you can go the xd route. i own xd and glock, and have owned many other makes and models, and there is no other handgun that i whoot better, or love more than my xd. it is ergonomic, has teh grip angle of a 1911, and has a nice trigger once they get broke in (about 1,000rds is optimal that i have found.) the only thing that i think the glock holds over the xd is the reset of the trigger, however the inital take up of the xd is much better imho.
 
I also had an issue with the Glock grip in my hand, so I went with the XD 40 sub. I'm glad I did!
 
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