Glock Carbine Patent Info

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The gas ring setup around the barrel is interesting solves the issue of reciprocating piston mass above the bore axis. Interesting...

Quick change barrel system.
 
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GUNMAGWAREHOUSE just e-mailed me some info on a possible Glock Carbine Rifle. https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/gl...429341932&mc_cid=9a0a266475&mc_eid=6ddfbd884f

The article by Stephanie Kimmell credits a German Gun Blog SpartanAT
https://www.spartanat.com/ with reporting on a new patent filed by Glock.

The linked article has some interesting information about details in the patent. Glock fans must be salivating in anticipation.
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My German is pretty rusty, but the parts diagrams are 'sehr interessant!'

https://www.spartanat.com/2021/05/glock-gewehr-und-wofuer-die-ar-15-teile/
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Both of those links show vastly different rifles. Which one will be the real Glock?
 
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Which one will be the real Glock?
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Looks like the first one. The annular gas ring piston version.
Which looks a lot like blending an AR-18 with an AK and an AR-15.
Not needing a buffer tube will be interesting. Like if a buffer tube is installed just to stick available off-the-shelf furniture upon (since the fore end is clearly all new).

Now if it debuts with a folding stock, that will get some attention (since all folders get some attention). Otherwise it's likely to wind up a lot like the SIG 5nn series. Interesting but not "game changing."

A proprietary mag will be a deal-breaker, though.
 
Yawn.

So it's yet another AR?

Fanboys rejoice indeed.
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Obviously you neither took a look at the patent drawings or watched the SpartanAT video discussing them.

This is clearly not based on Stoner’s AR-10 (and subsequent AR-15) design.

The only real similarities with an AR-15 (other than the general layout shared with pretty much every intermediate cartridge rifle since the StG 44) are a multi-lug bolt arrangement (that was pioneered with the Johnson M1941 rifle - and is more like the AR-18 than AR-15 design in Glock’s patent), and possibly the cartridge (the drawings appear to show a 5.56x45mm cartridge).

Perhaps it also shares the STANAG pattern magazine used by the AR-15 (and many other rifles), as well as stock interchangeability with an AR-15 carbine buffer tube, but this can’t be determined from the patent drawings we have seen so far.
 
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Hell, when I first heard the mumblings about a Glock Carbine - I rather naturally assumed they were going to take advantage of the carbine market that has taken advantage of utilizing Glock pistol mags. Not the first time that my crystal ball has needed a serious cleaning.

I find the concept shown interesting but am not the least bit compelled to buy one if they are made available as I am so heavily invested already in Stoner's architecture.

If I had zero *conventional* ARs however, I might could be lured in the way the piston-poppers might sway me in that case.

Todd.
 
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Hell, when I first heard the mumblings about a Glock Carbine - I rather naturally assumed they were going to take advantage of the carbine market that has taken advantage of utilizing Glock pistol mags. Not the first time that my crystal ball has needed a serious cleaning.
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A PCC sure would make a lot of sense coming from a pistol manufacturer.
 
Obviously it'll sell, the firearms community will buy everything once, maybe even twice, but I'm having a hard time figuring out who this is for. Institutionally everyone who wants an assault rifle or a patrol carbine has one and the civil market is realistically pretty much saturated with manufacturers. About the only thing or at least the most interesting thing that I could think of is giving it a heavy barrel and some sort of quick change system price it below the HK 416 and pitch it to the marine corps as a supplement to the saw/light machine gun concept but even then it's pretty limited in adoption.

I would love to see where they are going with this though. It's a neat simplified take on the ar concept but I don't know how much adoption you will get this far into the 21st century.

But if they do make it and anyone wants to get me one my birthday is in November
 
I think they'll probably market this heavily towards LEO departments already invested in Glock pistols.

Which means they're probably going to try and price it competitively against AR15's.

Hopefully, we'll end up with a consumer version sub 1k. I know I wouldn't mind a light weight, folding carbine at a price to compete against your average off the shelf AR. that's the downfall of most non-AR carbines in the market. Yeah, they do one or two things a little better, but cost 2-3x as much.
 
Maybe it's really cheap.

Like when Glocks are sold to the Government, they only cost something like $300 a piece...
 
Probably but I can't imagine the police department that's not just tripping over patrol rifles. That's not to say it won't sell if it comes down to the mp 15 or sr556 price point and doesn't require specialty magazines even I would get in line to hold one. Especially if it had a decent folding stock but once you pull the 'rona out of the equation it's a pretty crowded market segment. I would love to see this but I'm not wholly convinced that this isn't just a patent that isn't going anywhere.
 
Given that it's Glock I'll suspect that it's a foray into the European market, which is not as saturated in AR as the US is. (And their alternative is pretty much only the HK416.)

Really key will be if it enters the market with a 14" range barrel (as in 300-350mm). Not a lot of M4 available in Europe, and would e a contender in the "heavy" PDW market. Maybe.

Why a quick (or fast) change barrel is an asset to a carbine so that's a puzzlement. Unless the thinking is to offer end-operators fast-swap integral silenced barrels (if complicated with the annular ring piston). In a 10" barrel, and a folding stock, this could be a contender n the VIP security market.

If the above comes true, figure it will e select-fire and unavailable in the US as a result.
 
Supposedly the marines are currently getting the hk416 so that any rifleman could step into a fire support role without needing a different weapon like the saw. This is kind of a throwback to the world war era magazine fed light machine guns in which case a spare barrel is a nice little feature box to check.
I would think that if the barrel Behind the gas vents were narrower than the section of barrel the piston rides on it would be fairly trivial to just yank it out the handguard.

It'd be a chunky rifle but the heavy barrel would help with sustained fire and help it fit the lmg role better. Just speculating on a use case I'd shoot for with a half a million in start up capital and a few machine room prototypes.

VIP security is an interesting scenario but again there's tons of options there so you would want to be shooting for a low price point.

I'm wonder if maybe they haven't decided since the micro nines have been the big seller that taking a crack at the civil market isn't the game plan.
 
Right but it seems the general consensus is that price is going to be the big deal here.

It's a Glock so it'll sell and features will sort of tell who they market to but if they aren't undercutting a competitor or giving their sales department just huge amounts of resources then there are already a lot of other options in most of the spaces an intermediate carbine would work.

The other idea is push it to the civilian market and advertise it everywhere. Which probably isn't the worst idea. I mean I would love an inexpensive folding carbine for very good and well thought-out reasons and not because I've been watching The Terminator since I could hold my head up high enough to see the tv.

(I'd need to get a leather jacket though)
 

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yes, they're late to the party, and that will hurt sales, but 1) people said the same thing about the g43 pistol and they sold plenty of them, and 2) I don't know about anybody else, but I'm pretty tired of the ar15. Lets have something new. I really with the cz bren 2 wasn't so expensive.
 
If Glock thinks they will successfully compete against the AR or even the Ruger PC Carbine they have a long row to hoe IF the main customers they are going for are Americans. If they are vying for European contracts that may be a different story.

Heck, these news articles might be like the ones car companies put out as subterfuge. That grocery getter imitation Range Rover that Ford calls a Bronco sure was a wet noodle slap in the face “surprise”.

I hope Glock does something unique and interesting. Not reinvent a mousetrap.
 
A Glock PCC seems like a license to print money. A 223 assault rifle OTOH has a lot of competition... there's like half a dozen rifles that are all similar AR-18 derivatives and all chasing the same govt contracts.
 
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