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Poppycock.

I like the 1911, but I consider it outmoded.

I am not a Glock fan.

Indeed.

As much as I appreciate the 1911 and don't love the BHP nearly as much.

As a combat handgun JMB had a hand in outmodding the 1911 a mere 23 years later, though of course JMB didn't get to live to see it.

The M1911 remains the benchmark for all other handguns. It has stood the test of time and fought more wars than the Glock could ever dream of, and has been pushed to the extremes time and time again and has come out on top always. Even today certain elite members of the United States armed forces choose and carry the M1911. For 110 years nothing has surpassed it. John Moses Browning was a genius and a gift from God. His pistol is still the finest hand weapon in human history.

As for service record, I'd wager the BHP and it's clones have seen more "war time" use across the world by a fair margin, considering how many militaries use Glocks and all the small conflicts across the recent 20-30 years, Glock probably is right up there as well.
 
I told this experience before, so I will keep it brief.

In the late 90’s to early millennium, I had a G 30 in my nightstand safe, a G 23 in my office quick access safe, and a G27 in my shop for quick access.

After a few years of stash and forget about it, I was handling the G 30 and found that the mag spring had broke in half. I immediately checked the other two to find the exact same thing!

I had bought the guns new probably over a 2 year period in the 90’s. Had not shot more than 200-300 rounds in each.

I own and have owned a lot of guns in over 50 years of collecting and have never ever or since experienced a broken mag spring, even when shooting IPSC.

This is why I will never depend upon a Glock as a life saving tool.

I’m not anti Glock, I own 4 or 5. They are for recreational use only.

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It happens.
My g30sf wouldn't return to battery most of the time , new out of the box. Glock fixed it and it's never hicuped again.
All other failures were from aftermarket parts, which I don't recommend (any type , any price). Now I just leave my glocks alone , except for sights and everything works.

I had an extended slide hold open spring break on my g20 , not sure who made it but it would lock open every shot. Had extended base plate on a 45 acp mag and I dropped the mag while loaded and it jammed up and wouldn't feed rounds upward (pierce). I had a stainless RSA come apart while shooting. I had a titanium (?) Striker plunger get jammed crooked. I had a LW barrel in a 21 that made the gun unreliable .
So I just gave up on special little doodads and keep them stock and I don't have problems.
 
Failure?

Unless the frame, slide or barrel came apart due to some unrecognized defect in materials or manufacture, how is it a "failure" of the gun?

The reason the major gun makers who do a lot of LE/Gov/Mil sales create and offer armorer training, and spare parts, is so armorers can diagnose and repair/correct simple problems "in the field" (not having to return the gun to the company).

I have a collection of spare/repair parts I've collected over the many years I've been an armorer for some of the different gun companies, but no matter how much I seem to be adding extra parts to "top off" my parts bins, I don't seem to be needing parts for actual repairs very often. More like simply doing periodic preventive replacement of some wearable parts, to stay ahead of things.

Sure, I've had to refurb or sometimes repair some pistols that have seen moderate use (think 12-15K rounds fired), and even up to 40-50K+ rounds fired. I've also replaced parts & assemblies in some lesser used guns as I noticed them starting to exhibit a lot of service wear, weakening springs, spec variances, etc. Every once in a great while I might actually get to replace a broken, worn out or defective part or assembly. I rather doubt I'll ever need all of the spare parts I've gathered over the years. :) I've even sent some of my extras off to other armorers, or a smith.

I rather liked what one of the armorer instructors told us in one of my Glock classes, talking about replacing RSA's in duty Glocks. He said, paraphrasing, as I recall, that "fresh springs help keep guns alive. (He also claimed to be an old time 1911 guy.)

We're seeing more gun makers introduce recommended service-use/interval replacement intervals of parts in guns in armorer classes. Glock started calling a number of parts "wearable parts" back in '08. While I've watched some of the companies gravitate to round count/service-use intervals, one of them recently introduced dry-fire cycles as being included in "use", and affecting replacement intervals of some parts/assemblies.

Meanwhile, a properly produced and properly maintained pistol of modern, good quality manufacture is a fine thing, and most average owners won't be subjecting them to the rigors (and abuse) of LE/Gov/Mil use, nor the heavy use of competition shooters, and might never run their guns long enough to experience the need of a warranty repair. Keeping an eye on the age and condition of recoil and mag springs might be a good idea, though. I've seen those things vary all over the map, so to speak.
 
The Combat Tupperware has not proven itself yet.
Horsehockey.



The base gun has been around for less than 40 years and only time will tell how the plastic will hold up with age. In 100 years, I find it unlikely the polymer frame will survive nearly as well as a metal framed gun.
I'll bet you I could drop my Glock and your 1911 in a ditch, come back in a week and my Glock will run.....your 1911? Probably not. And you are worried about 100 years?:rofl:


The M1911 remains the benchmark for all other handguns.
In the US, not the rest of the world.



It has stood the test of time and fought more wars than the Glock could ever dream of,
Yet the 1911 design has been outsold by Glock and other plastic pistols one thousand fold. "Test of time"? The US military knew it was a dated design in the 1950's.



and has been pushed to the extremes time and time again and has come out on top always.
Wrong.


Even today certain elite members of the United States armed forces choose and carry the M1911.
Possible, but more choose G19's.


For 110 years nothing has surpassed it. John Moses Browning was a genius and a gift from God. His pistol is still the finest hand weapon in human history.
Oh good grief. :rofl:
 
The Combat Tupperware has not proven itself yet.

The base gun has been around for less than 40 years and only time will tell how the plastic will hold up with age. In 100 years, I find it unlikely the polymer frame will survive nearly as well as a metal framed gun.

The M1911 remains the benchmark for all other handguns. It has stood the test of time and fought more wars than the Glock could ever dream of, and has been pushed to the extremes time and time again and has come out on top always. Even today certain elite members of the United States armed forces choose and carry the M1911. For 110 years nothing has surpassed it. John Moses Browning was a genius and a gift from God. His pistol is still the finest hand weapon in human history.

DFTT
 
It stands for Dont Feed The Troll.
More of a comment to everybody else on the thread to ignore your post, which doesnt add to the OP. Respectfully.
 
My G23C broke a frame rail. It was a fairly common issue with one batch or something. Didn't break until about 2017. Glock paid for a round trip and replaced the frame. I was satisfied with that. It was still working when I noticed the broken frame.


Half of my .40 mags won't drop free... not sure if that counts as a failure but it's annoying.

All of my 9/40 glocks (all Gen 3) hit me in the face with brass. Enough that it's annoying. My .45 Glocks not so much.
 
All of my 9/40 glocks (all Gen 3) hit me in the face with brass. Enough that it's annoying. My .45 Glocks not so much.

Dunno if it's luck or grip or what but none of the dozen or so Glocks I've had (Gen 3, 4, 5. 9mm, .45, .40) have never consistently BTF'd me, except my Gen 4 21 with weak loaded 185 grain ammo. 230 or proper power 185, no issues.
 
My G23C broke a frame rail. It was a fairly common issue with one batch or something. Didn't break until about 2017. Glock paid for a round trip and replaced the frame. I was satisfied with that. It was still working when I noticed the broken frame.


Half of my .40 mags won't drop free... not sure if that counts as a failure but it's annoying.

All of my 9/40 glocks (all Gen 3) hit me in the face with brass. Enough that it's annoying. My .45 Glocks not so much.

Thats the same rail that broke on mine. I didn't notice until I was cleaning it after shooting it that day.

Funny thing with the trigger springs too, if you held the reset while it cycled, or held the trigger to the rear on the mag change/slide drop, the gun still worked fine. Just an FYI if it should ever happen at a bad time.
 
Dunno if it's luck or grip or what but none of the dozen or so Glocks I've had (Gen 3, 4, 5. 9mm, .45, .40) have never consistently BTF'd me, except my Gen 4 21 with weak loaded 185 grain ammo. 230 or proper power 185, no issues.
The only time Ive really seen BTF has been when the extractor or top of the gun is very dirty. Which is usualy a lot of rounds.

I usually strip and flush the slide once or twice a year, and it helps keep that to a minimum.
 
On the subject of the thread...

I now own 4 Glocks and had 3 others in the past and I regret selling 2 of them. 1 I gave away.
The only problems I have ever had were due to 2 Glock mags I bought used at a pawn shop. The mag lips were opened up a bit causing misfeeds.

I have not put as many rounds through my Glocks as some of you gents but I have put enough through mine that I trust mine more than I ever trusted other pistols I have owned.

I did witness problems that my son-in-law had with one of my Glocks and he was quite put off when I told him he was limp-wristing the gun. Most men get put off by that observation. He figured it out and likes them now. Especially after I gave him a G19X. :cool:
 
I know that MPD (biggest pd in Wisco)switched from Glock 22s to Smith and Wesson M&P .40s about 5 years ago and I cannot figure out why, something with magazines loaded with 15 rounds in it there were failures and "reliability issues". Blah blah. Most of the weapons were 15+ years old when exchanged. Most depts would grade up to the next new generation. But they went with a totally new gun.
Glocks design and engineering philosophy works to attack any and all problems slowly over time, and they keep getting better through slow changes over time.
 
only failures i get are from worn mag springs. I end up getting FTF's. Once that happens, I replace the springs. Not exactly a "failure" when its maintenance.
 
I dont know what you guys are doing to your mag springs. :p

Ive been using/abusing the same lot of 20 or so KCI Korean mags (which Im constantly told they are junk :)), on a weekly, and often, a couple of times weekly, for a little over 10 years now. Other than mistakely swapping out the springs on a few with Wolff springs (wasnt the problem), the rest are the original springs, and still working fine.

Factory Glock mags are cheap enough as it is, and the Korean mags are about half the cost. Throw in MagPul mags, which are only a tad more than the Korean mags, and anyone with a Glock shouldnt be lacking for good quality mags, no matter how you abuse them. :thumbup:
 
AK103K, nither do I, but it only seems to happen with GEN 3 22 mags. The 19 and 17 mags seem unaffected. All treated the same but the 9mm's have about 4X more rounds thru them.
 
Weird thing is with my gen 4 19 8 have tried to limp wristing it couldn't get it to jam.

I met an old lady with fragile looking hands that could limp wrist 3 different peoples G19's including her own with alarming regularity. It's real, not a myth. We made sure that she choked up on the gun higher for a better grip, she was too low and afraid of slide bite. I demonstrated with the slide locked back, that there's nothing under the slide that can hurt you, by dragging it across my hand and arm. We also made sure that she ran hotter JHP ammo only for carry use. No FMJ reload mags like the rest of us. 9mm FMJ is often loaded far too wimpy. .380 has similar issues.


I switched my Gen 4 G34 to a Gen 3 recoil rod for a better extraction pattern. Not a failure really, but definitely a fault.

The groovy trigger shoes on compact Glocks are crap as well. I hate those and install a smooth G34 trigger bar and connector in every one.

The Combat Tupperware has not proven itself yet.

The base gun has been around for less than 40 years and only time will tell how the plastic will hold up with age. In 100 years, I find it unlikely the polymer frame will survive nearly as well as a metal framed gun.

The M1911 remains the benchmark for all other handguns. It has stood the test of time and fought more wars than the Glock could ever dream of, and has been pushed to the extremes time and time again and has come out on top always. Even today certain elite members of the United States armed forces choose and carry the M1911. For 110 years nothing has surpassed it. John Moses Browning was a genius and a gift from God. His pistol is still the finest hand weapon in human history.

How good is the 1911? Make the single stack shooters in USPSA or IDPA compete against any other division, and they'll cry like babies.

If they actually believed that the 1911 was better, they'd have no problem running against production pistols. Awesome triggers aside, the rest of the 1911 hasn't improved enough over the years. Design stagnation = obsolescence eventually, and that day is here.

While the 1911 is much better fighting pistol than it's dying usage in competition suggests. Competition does raise the point: We can do better.

The 1911 is too hard to reload. Draws too slow. Has excessive recoil due to piss poor grip frame ergonomics that haven't evolved at all. A risk of a safety off penalty in drop boxes. Holds only a measly 8-10 rounds. Nearly never has the grip safety tuned properly from the box. Worst quality, and poorest designed magazines in the entire industry. Generally lacks reliability and durability in all but the few rarest examples. And rust, lots of rust.

Some 2011's solve many of these issues, and the upcoming DWX gives me a lot of hope of FINALLY a modern pistol taking over where the 1911 left off. It's really a shame that the 1911 never really evolved.

Sorry, but I have just one 1911 left. For defense or competition, my Glocks run rings around it 99% of the time. There's no contest. My G34, 35, or 41 give me a massive advantage. For that remaining 1%, sure, I'll pull my Dan Wesson Valor from it's safe and dust off my olde Ravens holster.

In 100 years, there will be plenty of Glocks still running perfectly with tons of holster wear, but without a brown cheesy patina. Any steel pistol will last, if it never leaves a safe, except for barbeques in perfect weather.

If JMB was still around, he'd be trying to combine a 1911 trigger and TS, with a CZ slide and magazine, with a Glock frame, and a bore height no higher than the Glock.
 
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Failure?

Unless the frame, slide or barrel came apart due to some unrecognized defect in materials or manufacture, how is it a "failure" of the gun?


Since a gun requires ammunition to do what it was designed to do. If it fails to fire, when I wanted it to, it counts in my book.
Course thats likely why have yet to run across that magical "no malfunctions ever" Glock.
 
I met an old lady with fragile looking hands that could limp wrist 3 different peoples G19's including her own with alarming regularity. It's real, not a myth. We made sure that she choked up on the gun higher for a better grip, she was too low and afraid of slide bite. I demonstrated with the slide locked back, that there's nothing under the slide that can hurt you, by dragging it across my hand and arm. We also made sure that she ran hotter JHP ammo only for carry use. No FMJ reload mags like the rest of us. 9mm FMJ is often loaded far too wimpy. .380 has similar issues.


I switched my Gen 4 G34 to a Gen 3 recoil rod for a better extraction pattern. Not a failure really, but definitely a fault.

The groovy trigger shoes on compact Glocks are crap as well. I hate those and install a smooth G34 trigger bar and connector in every one.



How good is the 1911? Make the single stack shooters in USPSA or IDPA compete against any other division, and they'll cry like babies.

If they actually believed that the 1911 was better, they'd have no problem running against production pistols. Awesome triggers aside, the rest of the 1911 hasn't improved enough over the years. Design stagnation = obsolescence eventually, and that day is here.

While the 1911 is much better fighting pistol than it's dying usage in competition suggests. Competition does raise the point: We can do better.

The 1911 is too hard to reload. Draws too slow. Has excessive recoil due to piss poor grip frame ergonomics that haven't evolved at all. A risk of a safety off penalty in drop boxes. Holds only a measly 8-10 rounds. Nearly never has the grip safety tuned properly from the box. Worst quality, and poorest designed magazines in the entire industry. Generally lacks reliability and durability in all but the few rarest examples. And rust, lots of rust.

Some 2011's solve many of these issues, and the upcoming DWX gives me a lot of hope of FINALLY a modern pistol taking over where the 1911 left off. It's really a shame that the 1911 never really evolved.

Sorry, but I have just one 1911 left. For defense or competition, my Glocks run rings around it 99% of the time. There's no contest. My G34, 35, or 41 give me a massive advantage. For that remaining 1%, sure, I'll pull my Dan Wesson Valor from it's safe and dust off my olde Ravens holster.

In 100 years, there will be plenty of Glocks still running perfectly with tons of holster wear, but without a brown cheesy patina. Any steel pistol will last, if it never leaves a safe, except for barbeques in perfect weather.

If JMB was still around, he'd be trying to combine a 1911 trigger and TS, with a CZ slide and magazine, with a Glock frame, and a bore height no higher than the Glock.

Piffle.
 
I know that MPD (biggest pd in Wisco)switched from Glock 22s to Smith and Wesson M&P .40s about 5 years ago and I cannot figure out why

Having talked to a few MPD guys immediately after the switch, they were not very happy about it either.
 
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