Glock mag won't drop free when loaded...
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I hope you don't really believe that (and no one believes you)--you really need to follow a remark like that with a "smilie."
While Glocks are reliable as any other modern combat autoloader, they can and do fail--in fact, I had one (but not for long) that couldn't get through a magazine without choking (not to mention hard primers which Glocks just can't handle or just the occassional bad round which you get even in premium ammunition sometimes). Everybody needs to practice clearance drills regardless of the brand weapon they carry, and whether or not it has ever had a failure.
FWIW, I much prefer the NDF mags and wish Glock had never switched (or at least provided both).
While Glocks are reliable as any other modern combat autoloader, they can and do fail--in fact, I had one (but not for long) that couldn't get through a magazine without choking (not to mention hard primers which Glocks just can't handle or just the occassional bad round which you get even in premium ammunition sometimes). Everybody needs to practice clearance drills regardless of the brand weapon they carry, and whether or not it has ever had a failure.
FWIW, I much prefer the NDF mags and wish Glock had never switched (or at least provided both).
I have never personaly owned an unreliable Glock and I have owned more than I can remember since I bought the first 17 in about 1989.
If I ever do have a malfunction I can clear it in a heartbeat because of practice from my years of 1911 experience.
And yes I am very aware that any autoloader can malfunction but the Glock I carry now has never had a malfunction of any kind in the last 7 years with thousands of rounds including about 600 rounds of Wolf.
If I had to rely on Glocks to keep in practice on clearing malfunctions I would have to find some really bad ammo or make some or possibly not clean or lube the gun for a few thousand rounds.
If I ever do have a malfunction I can clear it in a heartbeat because of practice from my years of 1911 experience.
And yes I am very aware that any autoloader can malfunction but the Glock I carry now has never had a malfunction of any kind in the last 7 years with thousands of rounds including about 600 rounds of Wolf.
If I had to rely on Glocks to keep in practice on clearing malfunctions I would have to find some really bad ammo or make some or possibly not clean or lube the gun for a few thousand rounds.
Like I said, the Glock (particularly the G17), like most modern combat autoloaders is very reliable, but that's no excuse for not practice clearance drills (or for suggesting or even implying such practice is not necessary). I've seen two of different people stand around like absolute idiots when their Glocks choke because they thought "Glocks don't jam," weren't expecting it and literally, did not know what to do.
BTW, I wouldn't rely on old practice with a different model handgun to get me through a malfunction. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't. There's just enough difference in the controls to cause you to fumble when you can least afford it.
FWIW (and since you seem bound and determined to bring 1911s into the issue), in terms of out of box reliability with modern firearms, I've had better luck with 1911s (Colts and Kimbers) than I have had with Glocks--as I mentioned previously, I bought one Glock that was absolute lemon out of the box which hasn't happened with Colt or Kimber (yet). I've also found that 1911 magazines tend to be more tolerant of dusty/sandy conditions than Glock sub-compacts (but that is not necessarily a fair comparison because of difference between a full-size 1911 and a sub-compact Glock). Frankly, if I went down and bought a new Colt 1991A1 and a new Glock 17, I'd equally surprised if either one had reliability issues.
BTW, I wouldn't rely on old practice with a different model handgun to get me through a malfunction. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't. There's just enough difference in the controls to cause you to fumble when you can least afford it.
FWIW (and since you seem bound and determined to bring 1911s into the issue), in terms of out of box reliability with modern firearms, I've had better luck with 1911s (Colts and Kimbers) than I have had with Glocks--as I mentioned previously, I bought one Glock that was absolute lemon out of the box which hasn't happened with Colt or Kimber (yet). I've also found that 1911 magazines tend to be more tolerant of dusty/sandy conditions than Glock sub-compacts (but that is not necessarily a fair comparison because of difference between a full-size 1911 and a sub-compact Glock). Frankly, if I went down and bought a new Colt 1991A1 and a new Glock 17, I'd equally surprised if either one had reliability issues.
I have never had a magazine malfunction, but I have inadvertantly dropped the magazine from my guns on several occassions because of the magazine release being accidently released (including drawing a Beretta on a subject during an arrest and having my magazine come out of the gun and land at the subjects's feet). 
It's a shame more people haven't tried the old Glock magazines and systems. I didn't like it either when I was first issued one, mainly because it wasn't what I was used to. I became a believer, and then they took it away. :banghead:
It's a shame more people haven't tried the old Glock magazines and systems. I didn't like it either when I was first issued one, mainly because it wasn't what I was used to. I became a believer, and then they took it away. :banghead:
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Enough.
Different weapons, different manuals of arms.
From time to time, a manufacturer will alter some detail to subtly change the manual of arms. Some would think it is a happy circumstance that the Glock folks can accomodate EITHER preference by sale of two different design magazines. We can say what we will about Glock, but they DID react to US market preference in providing the drop free design.
When Dixon & Dornaus were promoting the Bren-Ten they touted a user-option - - Removal of one stock panel revealed a screw head. When slot turned to vertical, mag dropped free. When horizontal, mag dropped a half-inch or so. Their literature commented that certain agencies made it a disciplinary matter to allow a magazine to hit the deck.
Personal weapons are the subject of much intense opinion. We all should realize that our opinions are exactly that: Personal preferences, and however strongly we feel, this doesn't equate to "Ordained by the Almighty." So, express your opinions, but please, don't be upset if the entire cosmos is not in accord.
I believe this thread has had a decent run.
Johnny
Different weapons, different manuals of arms.
From time to time, a manufacturer will alter some detail to subtly change the manual of arms. Some would think it is a happy circumstance that the Glock folks can accomodate EITHER preference by sale of two different design magazines. We can say what we will about Glock, but they DID react to US market preference in providing the drop free design.
When Dixon & Dornaus were promoting the Bren-Ten they touted a user-option - - Removal of one stock panel revealed a screw head. When slot turned to vertical, mag dropped free. When horizontal, mag dropped a half-inch or so. Their literature commented that certain agencies made it a disciplinary matter to allow a magazine to hit the deck.
Personal weapons are the subject of much intense opinion. We all should realize that our opinions are exactly that: Personal preferences, and however strongly we feel, this doesn't equate to "Ordained by the Almighty." So, express your opinions, but please, don't be upset if the entire cosmos is not in accord.
I believe this thread has had a decent run.
Johnny
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