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(AP) BELLEVUE, Iowa An auction to benefit a family whose home burned down went off with a bang. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt.

Darrell Clasen, of La Motte, and John Moellers, of Bellevue, were both shot when a 10-gauge shotgun accidentally discharged at the auction on Sunday.

Police said a 10-year-old boy put a shell in the gun, which was on a table of things to be auctioned. A man later picked up the gun and it discharged, police said.

Moellers was hit in the shoulder. Clasen was struck in the arm. Both men were taken to a the hospital where they were treated and released.

Clasen said he heard the gun go off.

"It was loud," he said. "I could see the smoke from the gun and then I felt it. It didn't hurt, but it was like a burning sensation."

Clasen said both he and Moellers were going to be OK. He said no one is holding a grudge.

"Everybody learned a lesson," he said.

There were about 200 people at the benefit and the boy apparently was able to put the shell in the gun unnoticed because of the noise of the crowd, police said.

The benefit was being held for a family whose home burned down last month.
 
  • treat all firearms as if they were loaded
  • don't ever point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy

Could have easily been avoided.
 
I have a proposal for rule 5.

If the gun is for sale, put the ammo SOMEWHERE ELSE. ANYWHERE ELSE will do just fine. Just keep the gun and the ammo SEPERATE.

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Should make society reevaluate it's attitude toward corporal punishment if you ask me. That 10 year old boy needs his hide tanned if he was taught about guns or his old man does if he wasn't.

Lucky fellows to have been shot by a 10 guage and lived to tell the tale.
 
even if the champer is unable to be opened cause its rusted shut, treat it like its loaded.

I had an interesting accidental discharge myself once. but I treated it like it was loaded and had it in a safe direction at ALL times.

kid needs a spankin
 
Warning: Cheney joke...

When two men get hit with a 10 ga. shotgun,

is that the same as one man getting hit with a 20 ga?
 
A man later picked up the gun and it discharged, police said.
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I'm getting sick and tired of the media portraying guns as having a temper or personality and will randomly fire on it's own. Why can't they just say "A man later picked up the gun and pulled the trigger, causing it to fire".
I hope that 10 year old gets more than a spanking, although I doubt he will. I have feeling if an adult put the 10 gauge shell in that gun he'd be looking at some sort of attempted manslaughter charge.
 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned.

KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.

Then again, maybe it wasn't an accident.

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One does not "treat" a gun as if it was loaded as it is loaded--always. Rule #1 states: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.
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I don't mean to be a stickler, but the way you wrote the rule can be shown to be, beyond a doubt, false. All guns are not always loaded. I'm in fact staring at the open actions of no less than 4 guns (UPS truck got here a little while ago) that are all 100% not loaded.

If I were a logical type person, and you told me that a set of rules were important, and I immediately proved the very first rule to be false, I might not pay much attention to the rest of the so called rules.

I believe that Cooper stated it as "All guns are always loaded (until you establish that they are not.)" To me this says that all guns should be treated as though they are loaded. Take that as you will.
 
Kid deservs a spankin or more.

Also reminds me ......
Wasn't it in another thread here that someone didn't believe that anyone ever put a shell / cartridge in a gun on purpose at a gun show? How much different is it if it's an auction that has guns?
 
I believe that Cooper stated it as "All guns are always loaded (until you establish that they are not.)" To me this says that all guns should be treated as though they are loaded. Take that as you will.
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Unless someone else loads it while you're out of the room, or you SWORE it was unloaded a second ago. Hence the assumption that they're always loaded.

This is a fine example of that. Auction person probably checked that it was unloaded. Kid came up and put a shell in it. To the auction person, it's still unloaded, because they didn't load it. But it WAS.
 
Unless someone else loads it while you're out of the room, or you SWORE it was unloaded a second ago. Hence the assumption that they're always loaded.

This is a fine example of that. Auction person probably checked that it was unloaded. Kid came up and put a shell in it. To the auction person, it's still unloaded, because they didn't load it. But it WAS.
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I understand. And I still say that the person who pulled the trigger did not treat the gun as if it were loaded. If they had treated it as a loaded gun they would not have pointed it at another person and pulled the trigger.

El Tejon pointed out that the rule doesn't say "treat guns as though they are loaded," it says "all guns are always loaded."

I am saying that simply stating "a gun is always loaded" is a recipe for having people not listen to you, because you are saying something that can be shown to be false. Telling someone to "treat all firearms as though they are loaded" arrives at the same end point (they act in every single way like the gun is loaded) except that it cannot be shown to be false.

It is just a matter of semantics, but since my wording was questioned I felt the need to explain.
 
I am saying that simply stating "a gun is always loaded" is a recipe for having people not listen to you, because you are saying something that can be shown to be false. Telling someone to "treat all firearms as though they are loaded" arrives at the same end point (they act in every single way like the gun is loaded) except that it cannot be shown to be false.

It is just a matter of semantics, but since my wording was questioned I felt the need to explain.
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Yep, it's a matter of semantics, but the fact is that all guns are always loaded. You can't prove it to be false, because it is true.

If you don't believe it, you may well have an accidental/negligent discharge, because you treated it as if it were loaded, instead of knowing it is loaded.

Even immediately after verifying a gun is empty (by both sight and touch) I expect to hear a bang. Because I know it's loaded, even though I checked several times to make sure that the gun is cleared.
 
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