Good For Another Year

[Speedo66]

So every year a retired officer must requalify to the current marksmanship standards in their state for active officers to keep their HR218 ability for permitless carry in all states and US territories.

Where I reside the standards include timed fire at distances from 4 feet, where you draw and fire from the hip, to one handed shooting, weak and strong arm, changing magazines, chest and head shots, and shooting accurately at 50 feet, all timed In seconds.

It’s not bullseye shooting, but rather just getting all your shots in an inner silhouette on the target, shots outside don’t count. The people conducting the training required you to qualify with both semi-auto and revolver if you wanted your card to indicate you could carry both. I seemed to shoot much better, tighter groups, with my 4” K frame than I did with my Glock 26.

While I had some flyers, I managed to keep them all in the inner target area, so good for another year. They had us tape over the holes after every stage to make it easier for them to score, but you can get an idea where the holes were.

 

[jar]

Nice shooting and not surprised you did better with the "K" frame but what model was it? I actually tend to do slightly better with my 10 than the 19 but best with the 28 among my Smiths.

I always thought I should do better with the 19 than with the 10 but the targets always said I was wrong.

 

[Riomouse911]

Sweet! Looks like you put them all where it counts.

The Sheriff’s office where I qual for HR 218 made me shoot each gun I intended to have on my retirement roster. That’s ok with me, it just took me a while.

I have four, a CZ 2075 RAMI, CZ 75 SP-01. (Bedside gun), Glock 43X MOS and a S&W Model 69 .44 that I use as a high country companion juuust in case a bear fresh from hibernation wants to chase me away from my fishing spot. (The only one I have seen in the Sierras ran away so fast I didn’t even realize it was a bear at first, but one never knows.) like you and your K frame, I shoot the .44 Spl. loads I brewed up through that gun pretty well.

The qual they had me do is pretty darn easy, the course I designed for our retired employees CCW-ID card recertification is much harder. The Sheriff’s office is so big (1,500+ sworn) with so many retirees that most of the people there treat it as a reunion and spend a lot of time chatting and catching up. I guess the range staff at the SO run so many people through there every two weeks that they just want to get us gray-haired folks through and out of their way so they can get back to training the academy kids.

Stay safe.

 

[fastbolt]

Congrats. I just went to one of the monthly retiree/LEOSA qual sessions at my former agency, myself. Grabbed a compact 9 and one of my snubs to use, since our LEOSA qual document lists whether a pistol and/or a revolver is used (but no specific weapon description, like is done for active off-duty quals). My state (CA) leaves it up to whomever is doing the LEOSA qual to determine what satisfies them for qual courses-of-fire, so it may vary a bit up and down the state.

 

[Old Dog]

The Sheriff’s office where I qual for HR 218 made me shoot each gun I intended to have on my retirement roster.

Man, some of these states seem to be putting on some really unnecessary requirements. And both semi-auto and revolver in NYS? The qual here is much more streamlined, no additional requirements or restrictions, one handgun, standard state-wide.

 

[fastbolt]

Yeah, some of the states seem intent on making it as hard as possible. Grudgingly acknowledging LEOSA exists, so to speak.

Nice to see the LEOSA qual for WA state is relatively simple, since we're still considering moving up there in the next 2-4 years. It would certainly be sufficient for periodic ID card renewal, if emailed to my former agency, as well.

I've seen retiree renewal and LEOSA quals as simple as 12rds at 5, 7 & 10yds (36 total), but we used to include 3yds & 15yds, too.

 

[armoredman]

Unfortunately, when I retire I will not qualify for LEOSA, despite being a sworn state officer for over 26 years, as CO's aren't good enough. Fortunately, I have an AZ CCW permit which will let me drive through NM, (for now), and TX is constitutional carry, for now, and I don't plan on going anywhere else.
Nice shooting, sir.

 

[fastbolt]

Unfortunately, when I retire I will not qualify for LEOSA, despite being a sworn state officer for over 26 years, as CO's aren't good enough. Fortunately, I have an AZ CCW permit which will let me drive through NM, (for now), and TX is constitutional carry, for now, and I don't plan on going anywhere else.
Nice shooting, sir.

Sorry to hear your state doesn't make its CO's a type of state peace officer in the sense that would fall under LEOSA. Here in CA our state prison CO's are peace officers under their own section of the Penal Code, although the legislature imposed some additional requirements on them for carrying concealed weapons that are more stringent than most of our general law enforcement peace officers.

However, their status as a special type of state 'peace officer', which includes them carrying concealed weapons off-duty (each warden must approve it for their prison's CO's, though), makes them eligible to carry under LEOSA when they retire.

 

[Speedo66]

Nice shooting and not surprised you did better with the "K" frame but what model was it?

It was a model 65 shooting .38Spl. rounds.

 

[Speedo66]

Yeah, some of the states seem intent on making it as hard as possible. Grudgingly acknowledging LEOSA exists, so to speak.

My former NYS agency refused to Re qualify us, we had to go to other agencies for that.

The only thing they did for us was punch our ID’s “retired”.

 

[GRIZ22]

Man, some of these states seem to be putting on some really unnecessary requirements. And both semi-auto and revolver in NYS? The qual here is much more streamlined, no additional requirements or restrictions, one handgun, standard state-wide.
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Yes bit if you read LEOSA it states you qualified with a firearm of the same type of action you're carrying. Qualify only with a revolver or semiautomatic that's all you can carry. Qualify.wirh both, carry anything.

 

[GRIZ22]

My former NYS agency refused to Re qualify us, we had to go to other agencies for that.

The only thing they did for us was punch our ID’s “retired”.

No.obligation for your agency to.qualify.you.

Leosa allows you to qualify on any course of fire used by any LE agency in your state.

 

[AJC1]

Strange this "prevledge" of exercising your constitutional rights doesn't apply to retired military. I guess keeping the privledged group as small as possible is the goal. It's nice to know the we have already ironed out 50 state reciprocity, and pretend it's a big deal at a federal level.

 

[armoredman]

Sorry to hear your state doesn't make its CO's a type of state peace officer in the sense that would fall under LEOSA. Here in CA our state prison CO's are peace officers under their own section of the Penal Code, although the legislature imposed some additional requirements on them for carrying concealed weapons that are more stringent than most of our general law enforcement peace officers.

However, their status as a special type of state 'peace officer', which includes them carrying concealed weapons off-duty (each warden must approve it for their prison's CO's, though), makes them eligible to carry under LEOSA when they retire.

We have authority to carry off duty in state law the same as any other law enforcement officer in the Great State of Arizona, and with my AZ permit. I am authorized three ways, CO, CCW and Constitutional Carry.. BUT...as required by LEOSA, we do not have general arrest powers, so we don't qualify. CA COs are peace officers, we are just knuckle dragging turnkey thugs, correctional officers.
As stated above, retired military are also frozen out. Of course, the best would be SCOTUS declaring Constitutional Carry the law of the land, but I am not holding my breath.

 

[Speedo66]

And both semi-auto and revolver in NYS?

I no longer reside in NY, the rules are from the state I currently live in.