Good Reliable $160 auto?
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Woody_in_MN
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How is the size of the mak compared toi the CZ. I had a Berreta .25 cal with like a 2 inch barrel - is that about the size of the mak?
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RoyG
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Not quite...
They take 5 guns put them on a table and pick the best one.
telcom911
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Another nod for the Hi-Point
If you are determined to buy a chep gun, Hi-Points are they way to go. Thier pistols leave a lot to be desired as far as looks and ergonomics go, but you are getting a new gun made in America by Americans. Not some Com-block surplus who knows who is making money off they thing when it is imported. On top of supporting American jobs, you get a lifetime warranty and very good support from the factory, try get that with your Markov- no freaking way buddy.
I will only say one good thing about Hi-Point handguns, they shoot, every time.
That is, however, the only thing that really matters.
If you want to talk about thier carbines, Those are real work guns, taking it down to clean is a real bitch, but mine in 9mm is going on 4 years and well over 5000rnds since I did more then punch the bore and shoot WD40 in the action, works perfectly every time. It is my kids favorite 'big bore' plinker.
Support Americans, get a warranty, enjoy the factory service program.
If you are determined to buy a chep gun, Hi-Points are they way to go. Thier pistols leave a lot to be desired as far as looks and ergonomics go, but you are getting a new gun made in America by Americans. Not some Com-block surplus who knows who is making money off they thing when it is imported. On top of supporting American jobs, you get a lifetime warranty and very good support from the factory, try get that with your Markov- no freaking way buddy.
I will only say one good thing about Hi-Point handguns, they shoot, every time.
That is, however, the only thing that really matters.
If you want to talk about thier carbines, Those are real work guns, taking it down to clean is a real bitch, but mine in 9mm is going on 4 years and well over 5000rnds since I did more then punch the bore and shoot WD40 in the action, works perfectly every time. It is my kids favorite 'big bore' plinker.
Support Americans, get a warranty, enjoy the factory service program.
My limited experience with highpoints has not been good. I have shot 3 all would not even feed standard hardball ammo in 45 and 9mm. They are pot metal junk. I am surprised to see anyone recommending them in a serious fourm. The mak as much as I don't like it was designed as a military firearm and is realiable and reasonably accurate. The Highpoint is a POS.
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Woody_in_MN
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Guys,
I put money down on a FEG 63 in the 9x18 cal. I went to my hole in the wall store. They had a CZ52 in pretty good condition for $150...arghhh...overpriced. They showed me this FEG 63 - nib condition for $159 - complete with 2 mags, holster, owners manual. I liked the way it fit in my hand. I like the size of the gun - I thought it would be about the right size for that caliber. I tried to talk them down $10 - but it was a cconsignment gun, they could not come down. So I took it. In the back of my mind I thought, I really did not have a concealable gun - the 45 auto would be the closest. Only real down side, that was some hickup in the fed system, and the gun approval was left in a delayed status. I expect I can pick up in a few days.
MTRCTY - Sorry dude - I would have had to go thru FFL fees, and shipping - that adds $30 to $50 to a gun.
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I put money down on a FEG 63 in the 9x18 cal. I went to my hole in the wall store. They had a CZ52 in pretty good condition for $150...arghhh...overpriced. They showed me this FEG 63 - nib condition for $159 - complete with 2 mags, holster, owners manual. I liked the way it fit in my hand. I like the size of the gun - I thought it would be about the right size for that caliber. I tried to talk them down $10 - but it was a cconsignment gun, they could not come down. So I took it. In the back of my mind I thought, I really did not have a concealable gun - the 45 auto would be the closest. Only real down side, that was some hickup in the fed system, and the gun approval was left in a delayed status. I expect I can pick up in a few days.
MTRCTY - Sorry dude - I would have had to go thru FFL fees, and shipping - that adds $30 to $50 to a gun.
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Major Beer
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+2 for HiPoint
cheap = yup
ugly = you bet
my experience = great
factory support = great
i bought one for the the fact that i live within 20 miles of Mansfield, Ohio where some are built. so far i have put more ammo through the thing than what it is worth. i have heard two stories about them:
1 - people like them / good luck (for the price)
2 - people don't so they send them back and they work fine after Beemiller tweaks them.
my complaints - a bitch to tear down, and kinda clunky.
i shoot mine a off and on only because i do not own anymore nines. the upside is i have not had a misfeed / jam in ages. it was a little tight when i bought it but after about 500 rounds, it has been heck of a pistol for the $119.00 i paid three years ago.
heck save up another 100 bucks or so and get a Smith and Wesson VE. i shot my buddies and it shot great for the price and it is one heck of a lot nicer than the HiPoint or Mak. why not used revolver?
as far as the Makarovs go - i still want one to play around with. good luck in your search - like someone stated earlier - give us an update on what you buy.
shoot safe
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cheap = yup
ugly = you bet
my experience = great
factory support = great
i bought one for the the fact that i live within 20 miles of Mansfield, Ohio where some are built. so far i have put more ammo through the thing than what it is worth. i have heard two stories about them:
1 - people like them / good luck (for the price)
2 - people don't so they send them back and they work fine after Beemiller tweaks them.
my complaints - a bitch to tear down, and kinda clunky.
i shoot mine a off and on only because i do not own anymore nines. the upside is i have not had a misfeed / jam in ages. it was a little tight when i bought it but after about 500 rounds, it has been heck of a pistol for the $119.00 i paid three years ago.
heck save up another 100 bucks or so and get a Smith and Wesson VE. i shot my buddies and it shot great for the price and it is one heck of a lot nicer than the HiPoint or Mak. why not used revolver?
as far as the Makarovs go - i still want one to play around with. good luck in your search - like someone stated earlier - give us an update on what you buy.
shoot safe
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Ivy Mike
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I vote Makarov.
Such a versatile little weapon. Eats the nastiest ammo on the planet, conceals easily, built like a tank...heck, it doesn't even look half bad.
Looks are important when you consider some of the monstrosities to come out of the USSR.
Man do they make some ugly guns...functional yes, but UGLY!
Anyway, reliable, fairly cheap to feed, accessories are plentiful
I love mine!
Such a versatile little weapon. Eats the nastiest ammo on the planet, conceals easily, built like a tank...heck, it doesn't even look half bad.
Looks are important when you consider some of the monstrosities to come out of the USSR.
Man do they make some ugly guns...functional yes, but UGLY!Anyway, reliable, fairly cheap to feed, accessories are plentiful
I love mine!
M2 Carbine
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I've got the PA-63,
and a CZ52
and 14 Makarovs.
Get the Makarov (if you can find one)
But not from SOG
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418593
and a CZ52
and 14 Makarovs.
Get the Makarov (if you can find one)
But not from SOG
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418593
TimboKhan
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Man, people on THR love thier Maks, although I must confess I don't own one and I don't recall having shot one. I know people love thier Hi-Point pistols, but they still seem a little shaky to me, buts thats just my opinion, and there are plenty of people that will disagree with that sentiment, and the responses on this thread reflect that. However, I am inclined to agree with the Hi-Point carbine. I don't wanna hijack the thread, but I really have never seen anyone that dislikes or has a bad thing to say about that carbine either, and truth be told, if I run across one at the right price, I will probably but it.
DrDanke
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I have a couple of pics on file that might be of some interest for this thread. In my opinion, the Makarov IS the best bang for the buck low priced pistol. The 9x18 performs awesome, topping the .380 and has the little bit more velocity that aids reliable expansion, which most .380's lack. 9x18 ammo is so very cheap. I can't stand paying $10 a box of 50 rounds of 7.62x25, while you can get nice reliable 9x18 ammo for $5 a box of 50. Both the Makarov and CZ-52 are utterly perfectly reliable pistols. (remember if your CZ-52 is chucking brass too fast, you need a new recoil spring). 99.9% of the CZ-52's that you buy today need a new recoil spring, and by new I mean modern, not just a new original old replacement. The Wolff 16.5 lb spring has made every CZ52 I've seen run flawless, (the spring is really cheap).
denfoote
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I'd get the Makarov, but I would not subject the poor beast to the rigors of a trunk!!!
One thing you have to think about is what if your car gets stolen??
I personally have had my truck stolen twice!! Thank God, I decided to take my carry gun into the theater that day or I would have been out a Kahr MK9!! I decided then and there that there would be no weapons left in my vehicle. The second time it was stolen, all they got was the truck, nothing else!!
I don't know about you, but I would have no desire to put a weapon into the hands of the goons that stole my car!!
One thing you have to think about is what if your car gets stolen??
I personally have had my truck stolen twice!! Thank God, I decided to take my carry gun into the theater that day or I would have been out a Kahr MK9!! I decided then and there that there would be no weapons left in my vehicle. The second time it was stolen, all they got was the truck, nothing else!!
I don't know about you, but I would have no desire to put a weapon into the hands of the goons that stole my car!!
Woody_in_MN
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Hello...I BOUGHT THE FEG PA-63.
Really thats fine - you guys can keep talking if you like. BTW, People say the FEG 63 has a stiff trigger. I don't think its that bad. Or maybe its been worked on. I'll find out when I put some sheels thru it.
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Really thats fine - you guys can keep talking if you like. BTW, People say the FEG 63 has a stiff trigger. I don't think its that bad. Or maybe its been worked on. I'll find out when I put some sheels thru it.
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if you shoot the star bm, you'll be in love. the makarov is the same. being a lefty, i'd go w/ the mak as it is da & ready to go. my bm is more accurate than my mak and fires a more powerful rd, but parts for the mak are plentiful which cannot be said of the bm. both are good, dependable, well made guns, but the mak is world renowned for it's super reliability in all kinds of harsh conditions. the bm's sights are better, but, all-in-all the mak wins out.
Woody_in_MN
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astra,
My bud has a STAR BM. I looked it over, held it, never shot it. For reasons I can not explain I could not warm up to it - maybe because I already have a 1911 type auto.
BTW - The trigger on the FEG is not bad, but double action is a joke. But we never hit anything with double action anyway - right?
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My bud has a STAR BM. I looked it over, held it, never shot it. For reasons I can not explain I could not warm up to it - maybe because I already have a 1911 type auto.
BTW - The trigger on the FEG is not bad, but double action is a joke. But we never hit anything with double action anyway - right?
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Ruger Shooter
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At that price point you just cannot beat a Makarov. Allthough my neighbor had a Hi Point and it was a good gun just large for a 9mm.
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