Good Taste, Death and Hunting Shows

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Recently got FIOS which includes 2 full time hunting channels as well as Versus and at least one other part time outdoorsman channel. We've had a medical emergency in the family which has caused me to spend the last 5 days at home (but I'm getting out Hunting tomorrow morning), and as a result, since nothing else is worth watching, I've spent a lot of time over the last week watching.

And I find them disturbing.

I know there have been threads on the appropriate after kill prayer to say over the animal. I don't say a prayer, but I've always been overcome by a sense of sadness, remorse, and pain at the taking of a life necessary in order to sustain my life. Its one of the cruel realities of hunting. I might brag afterward, and tell stories and relive the adventure, but I've never been anything but respectful and subdued while in the field and in the presence of the animal. Heck, I work in the livestock industry and I have the same reaction whenever I am around any animal whose life must be sacrificed so that we can continue with our own.

What struck me, regardless of what show I watched was two things

First: Whenever someone shoots an animal it is followed by fist pumping, hooting, hollering and shouts of joy as if out at a hockey game or rock concert and not that a life was just taken. It is just incredibly distasteful - and happens far more and to a much more obnoxious extent on The Outdoor Channel and on bow hunting shows than on any others - but its present on all of them. It really gives our enemies ammunition, as well as insults the life that was just taken.

Second: On the bow hunting shows nearly every shot I see seems too far back for me. Most appear to be gut shots. Perhaps I'm wrong in this regard, but thats my reaction to almost every shot (indeed, it was just watching another gut shot that drove me to write this post).

Now, I don't bow hunt - so maybe I'm missing something here. But I know my basic deer anatomy, and I know good taste. And that understanding seems often to be really missing.
 
I know there have been threads on the appropriate after kill prayer to say over the animal. I don't say a prayer, but I've always been overcome by a sense of sadness, remorse, and pain at the taking of a life necessary in order to sustain my life. Its one of the cruel realities of hunting.

Maybe I'm just more cold-hearted about it than you, but I've never felt that way. I feel no sadness, remorse or pain when I pick up a package of beef/pork/chicken/lamb at the grocery store, and feel no sadness when viewing the pile of steaks still attached to bone and hide laying there on the ground. In both cases a life was taken to provide me with protein. Why I should feel some sadness at having personally taken the life vs. outsourcing that task is not something I understand. To me giving the order to have something killed (which, let's face it, that's what buying meat amounts to) has no moral or ethical or anyother distinction from doing it myself. What I do feel in the latter case, though, is a sense of the work ahead of me to turn it into a pile of steaks in my freezer. Especially when that critter is an elk. The last one I got (a cow in 2007 in AZ) took me three days to butcher after I got it home. I couldn't feel the tips of my thumbs at all for 2 weeks afterwards, and it took 2 months for the feeling to totally return to normal. Granted I made sure I trimed all the meat and cut it to serving size pieces, and had I not gone to that extent it wouldn't have taken nearly as long. The deer this year got the quick treatment of some trimming, but not much, and most packages will have to be cut into 2-4 steaks, so that, combined with the smaller size took all of about a half a day.
 
Perhaps. Your right, I get no feeling at the supermarket, or when I go to my freezer. But death is all around, and even so whenever I'm on a farm (or at a packing plant) I can't help have a sense of respectfulness regarding the animals that will be our food.
 
I'm also sad after a kill. I think animals are neat and it's sad to kill them, but that's just how it works. My dad and brother are like me and the OP as well, there is a sadness. I have freinds, though that think I'm weird for feeling sad, they have no remorse at all. To each his own I guess. I'll also say that I'm sad to shoot an animal but also glad that I got one, so I'm excited. I don't generally hoot and holler but I'm happy about it. I'll shake a hand or pat a back for sure. The chase is what makes hunting fun. If that don't make you happy you might as well raise a beef.

I agree there is a lot of bunk on most hunting shows, and I think a lot of the guys are pretty obnoxious. Most of those guys shoot so many animals in a year, they don't care about eating them. They're just trying to capture the chase on camera. I'm not sure the "antis" as their called, watch hunting shows at all though.
 
I was very happy to see ,on one of the African hunting shows, time lapse photos that showed villagers taking apart an elephant . The explaination was that no meat is wasted, it all goes to the local people. That should be shown more often.
On the other hand I hate to see the shows that never show an animal being hit.After all it's a hunting show !
 
"First: Whenever someone shoots an animal it is followed by fist pumping, hooting, hollering and shouts of joy as if out at a hockey game or rock concert and not that a life was just taken"

Many of these 'hunts' are in Texas.
 
I don't like the hunting shows that feature some know it all hunting whitetails with a .300 Remington Ultra Mag or equivalent, then a big buck walks out at 100 yards, know it all shoots buck, buck kicks in the afterburners and runs for several hundred yards, and the know it all and the guide are high fiveing and shaking hands and talking about how good the shot was. If it was a good shot, the buck would have dropped at the shot like a dress on prom night :). Then when the guide and know it all FINALLY find the buck, they are both huffing and puffing like they just ran a marathon. Most of the heros on those hunting shows need to learn how to shoot to insure a humane quick taking of the game.

Other than that, I do like the hunting shows, especially The Bucks of Tecomate (Those guys, including Jeff Foxworthy, can shoot) and Uncle Ted.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Wyo, all that silliness makes me want to holler, "Aw, grow up." I've been around Texas hunters since way before you were born. The most I've ever seen after a good shot is a grin. Granted, I've always hunted with grownups.

Okay, back to the thread: I've long figured that whatever behavior I see on TV is phonied up for the camera, and blame should go to the director of the infotisement film.

Look: Folks grow up watching the antics of sports stars doing their cutesy routines after scoring. TV is a powerful teaching tool, so some folks think that if they have a notable success they're supposed to do a similar routine. Just be glad that they don't emulate NFL stars, after touchdowns.
 
I don't like the hunting shows that feature some know it all hunting whitetails with a .300 Remington Ultra Mag or equivalent, then a big buck walks out at 100 yards, know it all shoots buck, buck kicks in the afterburners and runs for several hundred yards, and the know it all and the guide are high fiveing and shaking hands and talking about how good the shot was. If it was a good shot, the buck would have dropped at the shot like a dress on prom night . Then when the guide and know it all FINALLY find the buck, they are both huffing and puffing like they just ran a marathon. Most of the heros on those hunting shows need to learn how to shoot to insure a humane quick taking of the game.
Its hard to understand how anybody would not have a DRT shot when the deer come running to the whirring sound of the feeder motor. To me the baited and high fence hunts are by far the most tasteless.
Almost as tasteless as the prom dress crack. Is that more Texas stereotyping?
 
If something has to eat, something else has to die. Get over it. If you can't take killing, don't kill.
 
I'm not a cry baby, either. I'm generally happy when I put down groceries in the woods. I don't jump up and down and fist pump and high five, but I've never said any prayers for the dead, either. That's just a bit strange. I don't anthropomorphize the kill. I have no problem popping multiple hogs in the trap with my .38. They die, that's when the work starts. It's not a sad moment, just something I do to fill the freezer. I'm a predator, it's what I do. If killing lunch makes you cry, maybe you should just go buy it or become a vegan so you can hate all hunters, not just the ones that celebrate. :rolleyes:
 
I think someone watched Bambi too many times as a child.

Other than that, I do like the hunting shows, especially The Bucks of Tecomate (Those guys, including Jeff Foxworthy, can shoot)

Those guys are my least favorite! Jeff Foxworthy is the worst shot of them all. I recall Jeff Foxworthy shooting the racks off not 1 but 2 great bucks. I can't stand the way they say "I'm going to take this buck" before every shot either.
 
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Yeah Foxworthy did shoot a couple of racks off, but he also has on several occasions dropped bucks with high shoulder shots out to 320 yards. It must be nice to hunt a ranch where the cull bucks are in the 160s.

I will say that those guys are still better shots than most of the "hosts" of the various hunting shows.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Yeah Foxworthy did shoot a couple of racks off, but he also has on several occasions dropped bucks with high shoulder shots out to 320 yards

That's not really that impressive considering he basically has a bench rest set up when he pulls the trigger. To make a high shoulder shot at 320 yards with those flat shooting rifles they use you simply hold right on the top line of the back just above the shoulder. I did the same thing a few weeks ago from prone. Oh, and I didn't blow off two racks before I did it.
 
I don't look at animal kills as a "sacrifice".....if I felt sad over killing a bunny, or a deer I wouldn't be hunting.....I doubt vegaterians are sad about eating "sacarificed" lettuce, or a carrot....these are Gods food for us, I respect an give thanks for that. Alot of the hunting shows are educational, not all shots are going to be perfect, all the time, that goes with hunting, but they can teach what to do, an what not to do.....some of the hip, hip hooray may be for the camera, some is genuine....depends on your personality, an some peoples personalties clash...if I ever get a 16 pt. buck with my bow that scores around 200"...well....the OP ain't going to like being around me at all......also remember some of those "gut" shots are from the camera angle, not always from the arrow flight angle, an arrow may enter the guts to go up to the liver an lungs an heart area.
 
Whenever someone shoots an animal it is followed by fist pumping, hooting, hollering and shouts of joy

Sounds like me... on the inside. It'd be silly to holler and shout, but boy am I glad when I see that my bullet connected with the soon-to-be contents of my freezer. There are just so many wonderful things about killing a nice edible animal.

This last elk season, as I began field dressing a heifer calf I had shot on opening morning, I heard a shot a few hundred yards away. It came from the area my dad has set off to hunt. After I was done, I hiked over to where I thought he would be and found him hiking out to link up with me. My first question was, "Was that your shot"? When he said yes, I almost couldn't contain my joy when I learned he had finally filled an elk tag after more than a half-dozen hunts. It was his first elk, a nice bull. I was/am so proud for him, and continue to grin with joy when I think of that morning. Well done Dad!!

The sausage turned out to be awesome, but the memory is even better.
 
.also remember some of those "gut" shots are from the camera angle, not always from the arrow flight angle, an arrow may enter the guts to go up to the liver an lungs an heart area.

That makes sense. Thanks.

If you can't take killing, don't kill.
Like I said, I'm in the livestock business. I got no problem with killing, just am sensitive to the nature of it and its place in the circle of life. Whether animal or otherwise, death isn't something for outlandish celebrations.

That said,

if I ever get a 16 pt. buck with my bow that scores around 200"...well....the OP ain't going to like being around me at all

Yeah, I'd probably be right there with you thrilled beyond belief.

If killing lunch makes you cry, maybe you should just go buy it or become a vegan so you can hate all hunters, not just the ones that celebrate.

I don't hate anyone. Well, that's not true. I hate most of the folks at HSUS I have to deal with. I was negotiating on litigation with some loonies, and made it a point of objecting to a proposed date for further discussion as I was going to be "slaughtering pheasant in record numbers and then killing bears" just for the sake of the HSUS attorney.

But as excited as I get in the field, I'm never pumping my fists the way these people do.

Many of these 'hunts' are in Texas.

Actually the worst one's I saw were in Kansas and in Iowa.

You must love Uncle Ted!! I do!
Indeed. Jim Shockey's show was much better than the others as well.
 
Well, I just get tired of the same ol' same ol' shootin' the deer from the stand, the quest for the B and C, yadda, yadda. I prefer shows like Duck Commander. That guy's my hero. ROFL! It ain't just hunting, either, it's the reality show appeal I think. I'm more into bird hunting than deer, anyway, but I do deer hunt. It's just that sitting in the same stand hour after hour or calling and shooting ducks, constant action....hmmmmmm, lessee, which would I rather do.....:D I do like deer hunting, just that I LOVE waterfowl hunting, ducks and geese, that's what gets me goin'.



I don't hate anyone. Well, that's not true. I hate most of the folks at HSUS

Well, I'd list a few in DC, but we ain't supposed to get political. :D PETA, there's a loony toon outfit, too.

Hey, everyone down here that has 2 acres in back of the house needs to be trappin' hogs and giving your farmer neighbors a hand. It's a real problem. I sure don't shed any tears over 'em. ROFL! Maybe that calluses me to the killin' part, not sure, but hogs are big, mean, and nasty and real pests. They ain't warm and fuzzy like a rabbit, though they do seem to have a similar natality rate.
 
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