Goodyear Tires and legal concealed carry

[goose]

I just sent a nice, calm email to Goodyear explaining why I won't be getting my tires from them......and a Goodyear store is only 3 miles from my house.

 

[Tharg]

Personally i like my khomo's... cheap and always been solid performers for my front drive cars. (they weren't nearly as good on the ex's S2000(rear wheel)... to my suprise =( )

That all being said... so tired of people who deny people who identify themselves to the government, get licensed by the government, and carry by the governments rules from carrying. Its those very same people who have the most to LOSE by even USING thier privlidge (sp?) to defend someone else who might be in said store from being shot/stabed/etc...

its just nonsense to me... rofl - but as Andrew said - its a free country - for now.

J/Tharg!

 

[solive]

E-mail sent

 

[chopinbloc]

e-mail sent. think i'll buy a set of bf goodrich. heard they have a good warranty.

 

[CGofMP]

They received the following tonight.

Greetings,

I want to thank you for making my decision on purchasing tires much more
easy.

It is always difficult to decide which brand to get and since the price
points are pretty close - in many cases the choice becomes a coin toss.

Today I read that your company does not want OFF DUTY law enforcement
officers or citizens with a permit to cary a concealed weapon to enter
your stores. You tout this as some way that you are protecting your
associates and customers. Actually what you are doing is letting the
criminals know that your stores are "unarmed VICTIM zones", that is to say
- a criminal knows he can expect no resistance from anyone in the store if
he (the criminal) decides to use violence. A sign wont stop a dirtbag
from breaking the law what it will do is keep cops and good customers out
of your stores.

Anyhow, as this is the case, I will skip purchasing tires from your stores
as I see them as LESS safe than the competition. In addition I will not
be buying Goodyear tires from any other establishment as I find your
attitude towards citizens who have been liscenced by our government not
only to drive a car but with the requisite in depth checks from the local
Police department to carry a firearm to be reprehensible. Obviously your
political agenda is so soured on firearms that you are even excluding off
duty police from your establishment if they carry a weapon off duty. I
guess somehow off duty cops suddenly become more dangerous than those on
duty.

I can not believe the myopia that your policy shows.

See you at Firestone, Michelin, Yokohama, BF Goodrich, Bridgestone, or
Cooper
Tires!

 

[robert garner]

I don't hafta know

Where a snake is comin from or his reasons for striking to take it out of the equation.its frame of mind is of no consequence.
Letter sent

 

[mnrivrat]

E-mail sent :

Goodyear Tire Company,
Your statement :

"The Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. prohibits all persons who enter Company property from carrying a handgun, firearm, or prohibited weapon of any kind onto the property regardless of whether the person is licensed to carry the weapon or not. Exceptions apply to on-duty law enforcement personnel. This policy applies to all Company employees, visitors, customers, and contractors on Company property -- including our Company-owned stores."


Thanks for this information - Ironic that I just found this tonight ,as I was going for a new set of tires at the Goodyear dealer in New Ulm, MN tomorrow .
I have a permit to carry a handgun and I don't feel obligated to disarm, or be a second class citizen when compared to a law inforcement officer. I also am not obligated to purchase Goodyear tires, so I will take my business somewhere else.

 

[Gillster]

Just sent my email, now I need to find a place to do my oil changed and such as well.


Chris

 

[Fu-man Shoe]

Calm, firm and short email explaining loss of business has been sent.

fu-man shoe

 

[Alex45ACP]

Email sent:

Mr Markey -

Because of your company's policy of restricting law abiding citizens the means to defend themselves while on Goodyear property, I can no longer purchase from Goodyear until this policy is changed.

There is a topic on this here you may be interested in perusing: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158563&page=1&pp=25

Thank you.

Alex
Florida

 

[jeil]

Everytime I see one of those "NO" signs I wonder what the legal implications would be if I were in their establishment unarmed because I respected their property rights, and someone came in and started shooting. Do you think the establishment would have assumed an increased obligation to protect customers since they denied those customers their right to protect themselves, and since they failed to provide armed guards, would be placing themselves at greater legal liability? I don't know the answer, but I am sure such an establishment does not really care since their insurer would be the loser.

 

[erik the bold]

Sending an e-mail to Edward Markey may fall on deaf ears. However, sending a letter to the corporate governance, (his bosses) may have more weight. I sent letters to these folks:

Corporate Headquarters:
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company
1144 E. Market Street
Akron, Ohio 44316
(330) 796-2121

Mr. Robert J. Keegan, Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President

Thomas A. Connell - Vice President and Controller

Joseph Copeland - Senior Vice President, Business Development, Strategy & Restructuring

Joseph M. Gingo - Executive Vice President, Quality Systems and Chief Technical Officer

C. Thomas Harvie - Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary

William M. Hopkins - Vice President, Global Product Marketing and Technology Planning

Richard J. Kramer - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Lawrence D. Mason - President, Consumer Tires, North American Tire

Jonathan D. Rich - President, North American Tire

Charles L. Sinclair - Senior Vice President, Global Communications

Darren Wells - Vice President & Treasurer

 

[Risasi]

Thanks for the source aquapong.

 

[RTFM]

First of all E mail sent.

Second,

pete f I by made in america Michelins
04SilverSCFX4 BFG's are in.
Luchtaine I always bought BFgoodrich anyways

Guys, these are wholly owned FRENCH companies.
Source in case you care to follow up.
http://www.buyfrenchnow.com/buy.html


I stay away from BFgoodrich and Michelins like I'm now staying away from Levis and Goodyear.

 

[Andrew S]

No. Not at all.

Doesn't matter what their reasons are. We go through the (unconstitutional) hoops to obtain CCW licenses/permits so that we can carry a handgun for self-defense. We recognize that a store may choose to not allow CCW holders on their premises. Just as they are free to prohibit CCW on their property, we are free to not give business to companies who do not support the right to keep and bear arms.

It's pretty simple. If'n they want my business, they allow me to defend myself if attacked on their premises.

I'm genuinely curious why/how you could view it any other way? Please elucidate.

I understand not going there if you dont feel safe there. Thats perfectly rational and I would do the same whether or not I was carrying. But them executing their right to ban firearms in their business is no different than a business requiring a shirt and shoes for you to be on property. I know I just make sure I put my shirt and shoes on before going into the store. I just think some people here are overreacting.

I guess firearms just arent that much a part of my lifestyle that I feel the need to always be armed.

 

[SJG26]

Andrew S. - You must be new in town.............

"I guess firearms just arent that much a part of my lifestyle that I feel the need to always be armed."

Pull up a chair and stay awhile - you have some catching up to do!

 

[Andrew S]

While I am new around here I dont think my lifestyle will change due to an online forum.

I can appreciate a good firearm and I am starting a collection of some C&R firearms but its more of a hobby than a lifestyle for me.

 

[Rezin]

While I am new around here I dont think my lifestyle will change due to an online forum.

I can appreciate a good firearm and I am starting a collection of some C&R firearms but its more of a hobby than a lifestyle for me.

I don't think the forums will "change" you, but owning a gun will..... Carry a gun, and you change just a bit more.........

 

[Aguila Blanca]

While I am new around here I dont think my lifestyle will change due to an online forum.

I can appreciate a good firearm and I am starting a collection of some C&R firearms but its more of a hobby than a lifestyle for me.

That's well and good. What you seem to be overlooking is that the Constitution of the U.S. (as well as the constitutions of many of the states) says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Yet the government DOES infringe that right, by requiring us to take classes and pay fees and obtain permits to exercise what the Founding Fathers held to be a fundamental right.

Many of us have accepted (for now) the reality that if we wish to avail ourselves of that right we must jump through the requisite hoops. Having done so, it is a figurative slap in the face to be told that you are unwelcome at ___ if you carry a LEGAL handgun. It really doesn't matter one iota what their reason is. I went to the trouble of jumping through all the hoops, and for that I am discriminated AGAINST? I'll take my business elsewhere, thank you.

You also seem to overlook the practical and safety implications. Many of us do carry daily, either out of caution, perhaps genuine paranoia, or perhaps because we travel through less than wonderful neighborhoods. Bottom line -- we carry. So we need tires. What do we do with the gun at Goodyear? They don't want a gun on their premises. Do I chain my pistol to a telephone pole at the curb? Do I lock it in the car in a "steal me" box, so the guy who drives my car into the shop (where I am NOT allowed, due to "insurance regulations") can see it, recognize it for what it is, and either steal it or make a mental note to tell his buddies where to look for a gun? Or do I set out that morning with the gun locked up at home, even though I may need to traverse a substandard neighborhood to get to the Goodyear shop, and hope I don't get carjacked on the way?

Or do I just buy from the Cooper dealer, where my gun isn't prohibited and I can be certain I am supporting an American company and American workers? (And get better tires for less money, as an aside.)

It's an idiotic, knee-jerk policy. If it doesn't affect you because you only collect C&R stuff, that's fine, but you should at least make an effort to understand why other people are bothered by this before suggesting that WE should try to understand where Goodyear is coming from.

 

[Andrew S]

Thats both the the beauty and the evil of the constitution. Its vagueness allows for different interpretations. Look at the Presidency today. He is our leader and he takes the blame for everything. When the constitution was written the position was completely different. The power was in the house. Now the house backs up the President. Now we have a leader instead of 3 distinct branches to govern us.

Your rights are there but only if they do not infringe on the rights of others. Goodyear has the right to set rules for their store just as you have the right to set rules in your own home.

If you want to fight the current regulations by all means do so. It is your right. I somehow doubt that a boycott of Goodyear tires will do anything for your cause though.

I don't only collect C&R stuff(i dont own any yet) and it does affect me as well as every other American. I am not telling you to buy Goodyear tires anyway. I am just surprised at the reaction of some of the people here.

You dont seem to trust your fellow man either. Sounds like you have given up on the idea that people can be good. For that, I am sorry.

 

[Camp David]

Goodyear has the right to set rules for their store just as you have the right to set rules in your own home.

Andrew: But private homes are not retail establishments, whereas Goodyear's store is a retail establishment, open to the public! THAT'S THE POINT! How would you feel if Goodyear put a sign on its door: "No Italians!" How about if they put a sign saying: "No Black People!" Youy'd be calling for their Goodyear's neck in a sling! Why? Due to the Bill of Rights! You'd say: "Goodyear can't do that!" Exactly! Well take a look at Amendment 2 of that Bill of Rights! Then you'll understand why so many on this thread are pissed at Goodyear!

 

[Ed]

Ok, I will go ahead and tell you that I work for Michelin tires. Michelin is the #2 employer in South Carolina. Passenger tires and Most Commercial Truck tires are made in the USA. I will also tell you that Michelin employees Like you to carry legally. At least the ones I work with. Michelin is owned by a french family, but it is privately owned. Well I guess since I own stock, it is part American owned too.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that Andrew S doesn't own a firearm, and found this place through a link at his favorite online forum DU, or something similar.

His arguments sound vaguely familiar........

 

[Andrew Rothman]

You dont seem to trust your fellow man either. Sounds like you have given up on the idea that people can be good. For that, I am sorry.

I haven't given up on the idea that 95% of people can be good. I'm just not really ready to trust my life, and the lives of my loved onees, to the idea that the last 5% will be good.

For that, I am not in the least bit sorry.

 

[Guyon]

This ain't much of a board if we can't tolerate Andrew S's opinion. I recall that there's a first amendment that comes before the second. Some informed, logical debate seems in order rather than just dismissing him and saying he won't be around here much longer. Better to educate than discriminate, no?

Yes, Andrew S, Goodyear is privately owned and has the right to set policy. Likewise, consumers have the right to take their business elsewhere if they so choose. As for the effectiveness of such boycotts, you'd be surprised. I recall Lowe's backtracking recently about a similar policy based on the reactions from the gun-toting community.

And yes, the constitution tends to be organic and subject to interpretation, but this doesn't mean that just anybody can make up just any interpretation that he/she likes and live by it. You might take a look at the more recent, important interpretations regarding the 2nd amendment in federal courts.

Just the fact that so many states have explicitly allowed concealed carry tends to weaken your argument about the "vagueness" of the Constitution. 35 of 50 states are "shall issue" states. Concealed carry is the law of a majority of the land, and SCOTUS hasn't made any head nods toward negating such state laws on the basis of a contradictory Constitutional interpretation.

As for trust, I'm with Andrew Rothman. I think most human beings are pretty good. As one friend says, you put an awful lot of faith in your fellow man every time you venture onto an Interstate. But my parents taught me to expect the best out of people but be prepared for the worst. Concealed carry (like defensive driving) is just part of being prepared for the worst.

On a different note, I wonder about the reliability of the source still. "submitted by an MCRGO activist and supporter" doesn't tell me a whole lot. Might as well put "submitted by Anonymous." I'd like to hear this policy reiterated or confirmed by someone in-company at Goodyear.