Got to handle a Gyro-Jet yesterday,,,

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If anyone has $995.00 just burning a hole in their pocket, Ron Peterson in Albuquerque has a Gyro Jet pistol for sale. It is like NIB, and has 3 boxes of 12mm ammo with it.

I handled it a little and it is the weirdest thing ever. It's stamped sheet metal with crude sights and some cast "pot metal" like parts. The grip is close to a 1911, but the balance is all funky. I just wish there was some way I could fire it a couple of times just to see what it's like. :scrutiny:
 
Gyrojet rounds aren't caseless, they're (IIRC), tiny rockets. I don't recall who makes it, but they didn't do very well at all, as the gun wasn't very accurate and the rounds (IIRC, again, I read a short article about it a while ago) had substandard penetration.

~Slam_Fire
 
The MBA Gyrojet was conceived by Robert Mainhardt and Art Biehl. They formed MBAssociates or MBA. First off, The gyrojet is not a firearm in the conventional sense. It's ammo was a 13mm stainless steel armor piercing rocket. Later models were made in 12mm to comply with civilian guns having a max of .50 cal. Both pistol and carbine versions were available in different finish/price levels.

The pistol (well use that for our purposes here) is about the same size as a Colt 45, but it is very light, about 22 oz. When holding it, the stamped steel/alloy construction combined with all the vent holes make you feel as if this were a toy and incapable of holding up to the pressure of being a firearm. Well, you're right, because the Gyrojet isn't a firearm in the conventional sense.

When a conventional gun is fired, all the pressure from the exploding powder is held in the chamber/barrel. This pressure is what pushes the bullet forward and why as soon as a bullet leaves the barrel, it starts loosing velocity.

The Gyrojet round is pushed by burning solid rocket propellant that is contained within the projectile, so therefore all the pressure is contained by the "bullet" and not by the gun. This also means that muzzle velocity/energy sucks, about 860 ft/sec. Like most rockets however, the longer the burn, the faster the projectile goes. This means at about 100 yards, the velocity is screaming supposedly at 100 yards it is about 50% more powerful than the .45.

Loading/shooting the Gryojet is an experience. To load it, one slides the top cover of the receiver, pushed all 6
rounds in from the top and quickly slid the door shut again. there ew no magazine or feed lips like a semi auto, so all the rounds want to fly back in your face if you are not fast. For anyone familiar with the M-1 Garand, imagine trying to load it without the EN-Bloc clip to hold the bullets in place.

With rockets in place, the pistol is cocked for the first shot via a cocking lever that is pushed forward and down.
This lever is on the left side of the frame just above the trigger. The rocket leaving the barrel cocks the hammer for the subsequent shots. When the trigger is pulled, there is not the noticeable bang of a gun. The Gyrojet just makes a small crack then a hiss as the rocket goes off. Shake and open beer can to hear this noise.

Reports of the time show the gyrojet had some decent accuracy among those who tested (note: I have held these guns, but never fired one due to lack of 12/13mm rockets at my local Wal-Mart). Instead of conventional rifling, the Gyrojet used multiple angled exhaust ports to spin the projectile as it traveled thru the smooth barrel. this produced great accuracy, but it was also one of the downfalls of the design.

MBA originally produced this weapon for use in Vietnam, and that's where some of the downfalls were seen. Rocket fuel (solid type) didn't always like humid weather, so misfires or not getting a 100% burn was a problem, though an infrequent one. Another problem was the slight chance of fouling of the exhaust ports. Remember they provided the rifling, so a fouled port could cause a wobbling path and nasty accuracy problems. biggest drawback was that the rocket burning could leave a trail back to the shooter. Not good in combat.

After a thousand or so were produced, it seemed that the world was happy to stick with gunpowder. The Gyrojet disappeared, but due to its mention in war games like "Delta Green" interest is picking up in the real thing.

Gyrojet pistols in plain black finish are going for about $650 to about $1,500 for the gold presentation model. Carbines are goin for between $900 and $1,700. Last time I found ammo, it was in 1999 for about 30 a box. I personally would not recommend firing one anyhow as with no support for the Gyrojet, I don't even know who would be qualified to see if it's safe to shoot. But, if you want a real neat piece of firearms history, this is a neat one to hang on the wall.

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Slam_Fire said:
(IIRC, again, I read a short article about it a while ago) had substandard penetration.

~Slam_Fire

You could hold your hand right in front of the barrel and stop a round.
 
for a collecter, that seems like a great price.

besides, how James Bond would it be to own a gyrojet?????
 
zpo said:
You could hold your hand right in front of the barrel and stop a round.
Yeah, but at 100 yds it would go through armor plate. It needed some distance to gain velocity. Of course, the accuracy degraded rapidly as range increased....
 
Rocket assited rounds and rounds that trail gas to reduce effective BC are available in artillery and could make a viable alternative to the gyrojet for extreme range shooting but there's a good chance that they aren't civilian legal. I can't remember off the top of my head. Still, a rocket gun is an interesting concept.
 
Anybody else remember those Larry Niven stories?

Thanks for the heads-up, Sean; I'll head over there tomorrow, just so that I can say I've handled one.

Frankly, that's cheaper than I would have expected. :)
 
Gyrojet

I had a chance to handle and shoot one in the early 80s. It was much like Jason described. No recoil beyond a barely noticeable push...a sound like
opening a hot beer, and about 10 feet in front of the muzzle, the one I fired
gave a sound not unlike the little "Whistling Jupiter" rockets that we used to buy for a dime...except it was much quieter. Due to the light mist that morning, we were able to track it visually via the contrail...and it didn't fly nearly as straight as a Whistlin' Jupiter. More like a bottle rocket in a switchback wind.

The one thing that did get my attention was when the little rocket had traveled far enough to break the sound barrier at around 50 feet or so. It went "CRRRAACK"...and produced a ripping sound as it passed various things along the way, breaking the barrier at each object...and it was loud!

At 200 yards, it was all over as it struck the high berm. We walked down to the
spot that it made its little tunnel, and could see the smoke still drifting from the hole it made in the dirt. A 6-foot long stick couldn't reach it, so penetration wasn't one of its weak points...if you could hit a cruise ship with it. If fired by a batallion-sized group enmasse, it might make an effective anti-helicopter defense...but there would need to be a swarm of'em for the chopper to have to fly through.

Interesting little piece...Much moreso than "Trounds." :D
 
I remember the original magazine articles. They said it did have very low velocity right out of the muzzle and tended to set things on fire. The writer wasn't impressed by the accuracy.

a representative brougt some to the local Gibson's store and did a live fire demonstration behind the building. - open fields then. He said that they had designed a .22 caliber rocket but the govt wouldn't let them make it be cause it was fairly silent.

gyro-jet carbines showed up in one of the early and stupid James Bond flicks in concert with the rocket-man backpacks that came out in the late fifties or early sixties.
 
I like trounds!

Well, I just got to handle a Gyrojet (and its rounds). Thanks for the heads-up, Sean! Good stuff!

Man, Dirk had some neat stuff in the back of the store, but I shouldn't be buying. Despite Dirk's call following me out into the parking lot: "You're a lawyer! Divorce is cheap!"
 
Curious stuff. You have to imagine the round is a bit more dangerous to unintended targets too. It could be deflected while still accelerating. Somehow I doubt my indoor range would allow it.
 
Trounds???

Erich said:
Well, I just got to handle a Gyrojet (and its rounds). Thanks for the heads-up, Sean! Good stuff!

Man, Dirk had some neat stuff in the back of the store, but I shouldn't be buying. Despite Dirk's call following me out into the parking lot: "You're a lawyer! Divorce is cheap!"
Did they also have a Dardik? I didn't see that. Ron comes up with some cool stuff on a regular basis. He has the capital to buy neat stuff and the contacts to find it.
 
Ah the GyroJet- should have bought one when I had the chance. A nice little old lady brought a falling apart carboard box into the shop one day. Her husband of many years had passed away and left her something that she didn't know what to do with:

An original GyroJet pistol, in the presentation wood box with the Dr. Robert Goddard commemorative medallion. And three boxes of ammo.

Neat.

I was able to turn her onto a dedicated collector who eventually bought the set from her. She gave me two of the rounds as a thank-you. Any idea why they're so different in the tail end?

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With a standard .45ACP round for comparison.

Oh yeah and Erich? Heck yeah I remember those Larry Niven stories! Where do you think the idea that I had to have one came from? I sure as heck wasn't going to find stepping discs or a General Products catalog anytime soon.
 
I'm happy to see I wasn't the only one who misspent my youth! I called a friend of mine from that time last night and told him about the Gyrojet. (I've got to get that boy into guns . . . )
 
^ yup, that was what I was wondering; the round in the middle I get- the four angled exhaust holes to impart spin- and this is how all the GyroJet rounds have appeared that I've ever seen before. But the round on the left has these three slots, which I guess have the same effect.
 
QuarterBoreGunner said:
Any idea why they're so different in the tail end?

They made a number of different versions of the rockets (using different styles of vented baseplates), mainly in order to try to find the cheapest way to make them. I've done cut-aways of a couple of these rounds (both the 12mm and 13mm), and they're all put together basically the same way; a spun steel case/jacket (some have rounded noses, like yours, and others have "cone" noses), a short hollow tube of propellant with a "wick" of wool or cotton in the middle to light up when the primer is fired, and a baseplate crimped or rolled onto the bottom of the body.
 
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