Government Detains Vet for Anti-Government Posts

[Hypnogator]

Let me see if I've got this straight: Loughner, Holmes, and Page, all known wack-jobs, commit horrendous crimes with guns, and we decry the fact that they were known to be dangerous, but nobody did anything until it was too late.

Now, with that in mind, the Feds put the habbius grabbus on another supposed wack-job who makes disturbing, arguably threatening, Facebook posts and cart his behind off to the rubber room for evaluation before he opens fire on gawd knows who with gawd knows what firearm.

So what do we do? We get our collective panties in a wad because they're violating his rights to free speech, keep and bear arms, connubial bliss, and on, and on, and on. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Give me a break! If only they had managed to do that with Page, Holmes, Loughner, Cho, Hasan, Harris and Klebold. It shouldn't be easy to involuntarily commit a person and strip him of his or her 2nd Amendment (and other) rights, but wringing our hands and saying we can't do anything about it is the biggest argument that the anti's have, that they can do something about it by banning guns.

I personally have no problem with this incident, nor do I with the incident in Federal Way. The latter has been routinely, albeit quietly, done for years.

 

[Tommygunn]

Gentlemen. I work for Chesterfield PD. I've been involved in the case, so there's little I can give in the way of specifics. What I can say is don't jump to conclusions. There is a reason he was put in a mental hospital, and then court ordered to be evaluated for 30 more days. This guy is crazy. His family is crazy. Brandon is NOT the Libertarian poster child you've been looking for. He is not a hero to be put on the pedastal of martyrdom. He's just a crazy guy that made some very explicit threats against some people and organizations. I'm sorry I can't get specific, but trust me, everything was done to procedure, the arrrest was good and for good reason.

http://wethearmed.com/general-non-firearms-discussion/why-is-this-happening/msg294022

The above quote from a thread in the link explains, from someone who was there, a little bit of what happened and gives a somewhat different perspective.
It would probably be a good idea to remain calm and see what comes out of this; it appears that the LEOs were likely correct to do what they did.

 

[EmGeeGeorge]

He can't be crazy he has a puppy!

 

[catinthebat]

First they want to take away our 2nd amendment, and then they take away our first.
Can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[siglite]

Let me see if I've got this straight: Loughner, Holmes, and Page, all known wack-jobs, commit horrendous crimes with guns, and we decry the fact that they were known to be dangerous, but nobody did anything until it was too late.

Now, with that in mind, the Feds put the habbius grabbus on another supposed wack-job who makes disturbing, arguably threatening, Facebook posts and cart his behind off to the rubber room for evaluation before he opens fire on gawd knows who with gawd knows what firearm.

So what do we do? We get our collective panties in a wad because they're violating his rights to free speech, keep and bear arms, connubial bliss, and on, and on, and on. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Give me a break! If only they had managed to do that with Page, Holmes, Loughner, Cho, Hasan, Harris and Klebold. It shouldn't be easy to involuntarily commit a person and strip him of his or her 2nd Amendment (and other) rights, but wringing our hands and saying we can't do anything about it is the biggest argument that the anti's have, that they can do something about it by banning guns.

I personally have no problem with this incident, nor do I with the incident in Federal Way. The latter has been routinely, albeit quietly, done for years.

This goes back to my point.

Liberty isn't safe.

 

[CZguy]

This goes back to my point.

Liberty isn't safe.

By that if you mean that we as a society can't take steps to protect ourselves from mentally unbalanced people. Then I don't understand your point.

What does liberty mean to you?

 

[powder]

Doing a 5150 is a PITA, consumes LOTS of time, and the scenario DA/LEOs need to have facts in hand. This is not a "Soviet gulag" scenario wherein communists are jailing government dissenters.

Multiple tours, combat engineer, returned from the sandbox and has more than likely seen PTSD enhancing scenarios.

Has ideation that U.S. government was behind 9/11 attacks.

Is publicly talking/writing about severing heads, sharpening his axe.


What this guy needs is health care, evals., and to sober/clean up if he is self-medicating. The lack of mental health care being provided for our returning Vets. is astounding and is what this thread should be about: contact your local politicians and start bitching about it, and the local VA hospitals being underfunded and understaffed with qualified professionals.

 

[michaelbsc]

Doing a 5150 is a PITA, consumes LOTS of time, and the scenario DA/LEOs need to have facts in hand.

Agreed. My wife does this periodically for a patient's self protection, and it's an uphill battle. It ain't easy. Sure, one incident might be out of line, but for the most part it's nearly impossible to do inappropriately. There's just too many hoops. (It should be so hard to get a wiretap!)

Multiple tours, combat engineer, returned from the sandbox and has more than likely seen PTSD enhancing scenarios.
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What this guy needs is health care, evals., and to sober/clean up if he is self-medicating. The lack of mental health care being provided for our returning Vets. is astounding and is what this thread should be about: contact your local politicians and start bitching about it, and the local VA hospitals being underfunded and understaffed with qualified professionals.

I will grant that some vets abuse the system, but the vast majority are under-served. We, as a whole, fail them.

I was in the service in the cold war, which was tense at times, but nothing like having people actively shooting at *YOU* directly. We are abusing the young guys as badly as we abused the Vietnam guys, only in a different way.

And my wife has an appointment at the VA, too, although she isnt activly working there now. While it isn't without it's own troubles, overall the majority of the people who do staff the VA are working by pulling miracles out of the air. The troubles at the VA are in Washington. And the effective ones to hammer are the senators and local Represenative.

MB

 

[Carl N. Brown]

As far as I am concerned, the guy who murdered three people in my home town not only did not use a gun (he used knife and baseball bat) but as far as I know he *never* posted any intentions on the internet.

You know, the government's reaction to recent events is like the Army parking all its planes in the center of Hickham Field 6 Dec 1941 because the previous problems at Pearl Harbor were sabotage/vandalism. Over-reacting to the past is not always good preparation for the future.

 

[Gunnerboy]

If he wasnt a "terrorist" before.... He is now.

 

[Sky]

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/6577

If all the facts are there he has to give up his guns

In the above instance so much for due process and the Right to face your accuser.

Remember "see something say something" is alive and well.

Not positive but I believe this is one of his post on F.B. that got him in his predicament.

1. I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. A battle I could have never imagined existed. 7/24/12 2. We MUST rise up and take our country back. 7/30/12 3. I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12 4. This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go fluff itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12 5. I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12 6. Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12 7. The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12 8. The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

 

[Coop45]

Multiple tours, combat engineer, returned from the sandbox and has more than likely seen PTSD enhancing scenarios.

Has ideation that U.S. government was behind 9/11 attacks.

Is publicly talking/writing about severing heads, sharpening his axe.


What this guy needs is health care, evals., and to sober/clean up if he is self-medicating. The lack of mental health care being provided for our returning Vets. is astounding and is what this thread should be about: contact your local politicians and start bitching about it, and the local VA hospitals being underfunded and understaffed with qualified professionals.

I'm with you on this. Folks were hot to send these young men and women into combat, so take care of them when they come home!!

 

[john wall]

Right now, he has been ADMITTED to a Mental Institution for observation. Seems diarrhea of the lips is something to be avoided on the 'Net . Probably should be avoided anywhere.

He will be good to go unless he is COMMITTED to a Mental Institution by court order. Then, he will be a prohibited person.

As a licensed firearms dealer, I would expect unwanted scrutiny (or worse) if I started talking and posting about how I was going to commit violence.

I am just a peaceable old guy who wants the govt' to defend my shores, deliver my mail, and stay out of my personal life.

 

[hso]

There weren't enough facts to discuss this when it started and there won't be for a while.

Thanks to those who did provide some facts.

 

[hso]

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Va-judge-orders-release-of-detained-veteran-3810234.php

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a former Marine who was detained for psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook.

Prince George County Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said at the end of a one-hour hearing that the involuntary commitment order issued by a magistrate against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him, according to the head of a civil liberties organization that represented the 26-year-old veteran.

"This is a great victory," Rutherford Institute executive director John Whitehead said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...of-detained-veteran-3810234.php#ixzz24TMVjHpQ