GSG 1911 - 22LR pistol

[tahunua001]

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[Dudemeister]

It's interesting to see how a request for feedback can polarize some people. It's also interesting how some folks will so blindly march to their own beliefs in the face of overwhelming public opinion.

My 10 year old mentality voted with my 55 year old checkbook and bought the gun.

I don't think this is a "junk" gun, the fit and finish as as good as the Colt, the balance was better, and the sights were easier to acquire.

As for it being pot metal, I'm really not worried about it. Any gun can have failures, I had a first Gen Walter P99 that the frame cracked, does it mean the gun was "crap", and I'd never buy another one like it? Hell no, the replacement is doing just fine and I think it's a great gun.

What about all the Glock frame failures out there? Does that mean that polymer frames guns are crap? Do they deserve the "Tupperware" moniker?

Everyone can have their own opinions about something, but there is such a think as overwhelming public opinion, and frankly the majority will always win.

 

[David E]

Ruger does not die-cast their aluminum frames. Also, look at the thickness of Rugers casting in comparison to frames machined from aluminum forgings or barstock. Look how unwieldily they have to be. Their ergonomics are horrendous.

I never said Ruger "die cast" their aluminum frames.

The frame ergonomics improved quite a bit with the 93 and 94.

Tho none of the aluminum framed Rugers can be classified as "unwieldy."

 

[918v]

I never said Ruger "die cast" their aluminum frames.

Then why are you bringing Ruger into the mix?

 

[Bonjour43ma]

Why are you still trolling this thread, 918v? We've already established that your opinion is moot on this subject, and that you only use expensive guns. So, why bother? Do you go to every thread that talks about guns that you think are "Crap", and beat that opinion into everyone else's heads?

The GSG 1911 is good enough that Sig Sauer paid to put their logo and name on the gun - that itself speaks more volume than your "opinion" that you seem to think so highly of, but is based on nothing but bias and arrogance.

One more time - don't like the gun? Good for you. Stop posting in this thread. The more you post the more it makes us think that you acutally LIKE the gun, but can't buy one because your buddies will laugh at you for using a "crap" gun that a 10 year old would use.

 

[dondavis3]

@ 918v

You have the worst "style" I've ever seen on your posts.

In case you haven't noticed ... you're not doing so good on this thread.

Every board has it's opinionated "know it all" .. but you go way past a know it all.

Your argumentative, abusive & really enjoy trying to make everyone mad.

Please go away.

It isn't working .. your just showing your ignorance.

 

[918v]

Why are you still trolling this thread, 918v? We've already established that your opinion is moot on this subject, and that you only use expensive guns. So, why bother? Do you go to every thread that talks about guns that you think are "Crap", and beat that opinion into everyone else's heads?

Why are you talking about me in a technical forum? This is not a psychology forum. This is a technical forum. We talk about design and materials. You choose instead to talk about me, now that you ran out of ideas.

 

[918v]

John,

Follow your own advice.

 

[918v]

Everyone can have their own opinions about something, but there is such a think as overwhelming public opinion, and frankly the majority will always win.

And that's why firearms will one day be made from pieces of die cast pot metal riveted to a piece of plastic. And the public will be content with that because they don't know any better. I used to think Sig Sauer was the best pistol around until I saw a P210. I used to think that Ruger made the best revolvers until I saw a Freedom Arms. Quality is expensive, but why would anyone pay that kind of money for a GSG when there are Rugers, Brownings, Marvel conversions and a bunch of used alternatives out there?

Why? The novelty of having a gun that looks exactly like 1911. The bottom line is you are paying $250 more than a HiPoint for the novelty. And I get called an elitist snob and a troll for poining it out. And 9mmepiphany, the esteemed moderator, permits this.

Enjoy your toy.

 

[David E]

Then why are you bringing Ruger into the mix?

Because:

1) you said all "good" guns use forged frames. (Glocks/Sigs/XD's/HK's/etc with poly frames must be "crap" by your "standard")

2) you challenged to "name one" good maker that used aluminum frames that were not forged.

3) you cited Ruger as a good maker, apparently ignorant of the fact that they use cast, not forged, aluminum frames.

Since you can't keep up with your own posts, I'll waste no more of my time.

 

[USAF_Vet]

FWIW, I must have the mentality of a ten year old and know nothing about quality. I like my poly framed pot metal Hi Point.

The slide to frame fit is less of an issue than you think being the front of the slide rides the barrel via the barrel bushing. A barrel pressed into the frame is much more sturdy than one secured by a set screw.

You just described my Hi Point. Quite interesting considering my piece of crap poly frame pot metal gun uses such a design.

 

[918v]

Since you can't keep up with your own posts, I'll waste no more of my time.

I said name one in reference to die casting, not forging. Maybe you are the one who can't follow the thread.

 

[918v]

You just described my Hi Point. Quite interesting considering my piece of crap poly frame pot metal gun uses such a design.

Are you insinuating a contradiction?

I'm simply saying that the Umarex has a better design than the GSG, that's all.

Know of any locked breech pot metal guns? Can pot metal withstand the pounding of a locked-breech mechanism?

 

[Dudemeister]

Quality is expensive...

I don't doubt that quality can be expensive, but quality can also be found for reasonable prices. Based on your way of thinking everyone should be driving Porshes and Bentley, but they don't. They'd like to, but can't afford it, and found quality cars for a lot less than those brands in the more mundane Toyotas, Hondas, Fords and GM cars.

...why would anyone pay that kind of money for a GSG when there are Rugers, Brownings, Marvel conversions and a bunch of used alternatives out there?

I'm not sure what you mean by "that kind of money". The gun is rather inexpensive, and I don't know of many 1911 style pistols in .22LR in the $350-400 price range

If you'll remember, I was originally undecided between the Colt and the GSG, and the price difference was only about $50. I opted for the GSG because of the overwhelming positive feedback, and because it "felt" better than the Colt.

As for conversions, I don't have a 1911 in large caliber for conversion. I already own a Browning Buckmark, used to own a Ruger Mark II, and I also won a Walther P22 (pot metal !!), so I don't want another one like those.

Why? The novelty of having a gun that looks exactly like 1911.

Exactly !!!!

The bottom line is you are paying $250 more than a HiPoint for the novelty.

Really? So I can get a Hi-Point for $100?? Where?

Enjoy your toy.

YOU BET I WILL !!

 

[918v]

A HiPoint costs $150.

150 + 250 = 400

Not that it matters.

 

[918v]

Based on your way of thinking everyone should be driving Porshes and Bentley, but they don't.

No, if that were the case, I'd be pushing the Sig P210 22LR conversion.

I want people to drive Fords and Chevys instead of Yugos.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Really? So I can get a Hi-Point for $100?? Where?

If you don't mind used, they are out there. I saw a Hi Point .380 at my LGS for $85. Woulda taken it home if it was the 9mm.

Are you insinuating a contradiction?

Kinda, yeah. simply pointing out the design feature isn't limited to high dollar fire arms.

I'm simply saying that the Umarex has a better design than the GSG, that's all.

Could be, but that's taking personal opinion into perspective. Personally, as lauded as it is, I'm not a fan of the 1911 design platform. Doesn't mean it's design is inferior to another design option, just different.

Know of any locked breech pot metal guns? Can pot metal withstand the pounding of a locked-breech mechanism?

None that I'm aware of. But the idea that locked breach > blow back is a matter of personal opinion. I have a blow back .45 (Hi Point) and a locked breach 9mm (S&W) and like them both for what they are, equally.

 

[Bonjour43ma]

918v, I'm talking about you in a technical forum because the BS you're spewing has no factual base. You are mixing your own personal opinion, a biased one at that, with some knowledge of firearms manufacturing. You are the epitome of an "arm chair expert" that thinks you know everything and what's good for everyone, when in fact, your own arrogance has clearly clouded your judgment. I don't think anyone is taking anything you say seriously now, and have taken the high road by ignoring you, for the most part.

You based your opinion on internet research, but so did everyone else.

If you don't want to talk about crappy guns, be the smart guy that you are and don't post in this thread anymore. The more you continue to post the more it is apparent that you are just looking to stir things up, which you seem to get off of. You are not "educating" others on what crappy guns they shouldn't buy, but instead you are insulting everyone else's intelligence by talking down to them and saying how stupid they are to spend money on "toy guns".

My self, along with many others I'm sure, will be taking the high road on this one because we have better things to worry about than some arm chair firearms expert on an internet forum. Go ahead and continue posting if you want, it spices up this thread a little and keeps things entertaining.

Have a nice day

Oh, here's my GSG after 4,000 rounds with fewer hiccups than my buddy's Ruger MKIII Target... Yeah it's such a steaming pile of crap that I can't possibly have any fun shooting it at all. Poor me.

 

[918v]

Blah, blah, blah... personal insult... blah, blah, blah... outrageous claim... inserted pic.

OK, die cast potmetal beats forged steel. You win.

 

[918v]

Could be, but that's taking personal opinion into perspective.

Yes, it is. But almost everything posted on this site is personal opinion.

I have a blow back .45 (Hi Point) and a locked breach 9mm (S&W) and like them both for what they are, equally.

And I don't berate you for it. I'm just calling the GSG what I feel it is because it should not be elevated to a status occupied by quality firearms that have decades of flawless service.

 

[Bonjour43ma]

Yes, it is. But almost everything posted on this site is personal opinion.

Thank you, sir! You finally got it!

Blah, blah, blah... personal insult... blah, blah, blah... outrageous claim... inserted pic.

Ah, we've resorted to using blah blah blah now? You like my pic? Thanks! I take pride in my photography skills.

 

[918v]

Ah, we've resorted to using blah blah blah now? You like my pic? Thanks!

Your post was not worth quoting. Your pic is nice. Your photography skillz are outstanding.

 

[Bonjour43ma]

You know, there ARE things that I don't like about the GSG (c'mon, we're not blind and THAT stupid to think that this gun is perfect. No gun is):

- don't like the finish on the slide, looks like paint, so I dura-coated mine
- don't like the mag disconnect
- don't like the plastic sights and mag base plate
- don't like the extra hex screw and pin for field stripping

but I DO like:

- eats almost any ammo you feed it
- accurate for a plinker/range/fun gun
- cheap for a full size 1911 in .22LR
- good intro gun for newbies, espeically women, because they can hit their targets with it and that makes it FUN for them
- 80% parts compatibility with full size 1911s
- good training tool for my .45 1911 at a fraction of the cost, since it's the exact same size and shape
- reliable, for a rimfire semi-auto. I only have 4,000 rounds though mine, but many others have way more and things are still clicking along just fine

But what do I know? I'm just a 10 year old that uses crap guns and can't think for myself

 

[Dudemeister]

OK guys, enough ...

OK, as the OP of this thread, I think I let this go on long enough.

Bonjour, I appreciate your opinion, as I do 918V's as well. If you guys want to continue this please do so on your own thread, please don't hijack mine.

I wanted this thread to be a source of information to help me with my decision to buy either GSG or a Colt 22. I already made the decision.

If you or anyone else has further information to post based on actual usage and personal experiences, great, if you want to post your opinion on these guns or similar guns, that's fine too, but please be respectful of other people's opinions as well. Trying to impose your opinion on others by calling them names or being condescending and saying that they have the mentality of a 10 year old is not constructive.

Thanks

 

[Bonjour43ma]

Sorry for derailing your thread - my apologies. Long weekend here and got some extra time on the computer

Did you pick up your GSG yet? Hope to see some range reports from you soon!