xd9fan
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oh that work damn well didnt it???
Gun Ban Ruling Puts Fenty on the Spot
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oh that work damn well didnt it???
Outlaws said:
Link for you: http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php
The right to carry had been taken away by law in many (not all) states for many, many years. In 1986, there were only 8 shall-issue states. But by 2006 there were 37 shall-issue states ... and one of the previous shall-issue states had quit requiring permits at all.
Progress is made on this stuff whenever and wherever we get vocal and stand up for our rights.
Progress is lost when we give up. So don't...
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DonP
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Their spokesman ...
Make sure people know what this guys record is when he starts to talk about fighting gun crime.
Paul Helmke record
It is of great curiosity how Helmke suddenly became an expert on the tactical use of firearms. He couldn’t rein in crime while mayor in Fort Wayne, Indiana (1988-2000).
During his last five years in office, the national violent crime rate fell 7.0 percentage points faster, murder fell 12.6 more, and rape fell 12.1 faster, while the aggravated assault rate in Fort Wayne actually rose 15.9%, trailing the national index by 38.4 points. In the five years since Helmke left office, Fort Wayne has beaten the national violent crime index by 11.2 percentage points.
He can’t even blame his failure on the state criminal justice environment. During his last five years as mayor, Indiana realized a 33.5% drop in the violent crime rate, beating the national index by 7.5 points and leaving Fort Wayne 14.4 points behind the state index.(15)
15 Compiled from FBI data.
Make sure people know what this guys record is when he starts to talk about fighting gun crime.
Paul Helmke record
It is of great curiosity how Helmke suddenly became an expert on the tactical use of firearms. He couldn’t rein in crime while mayor in Fort Wayne, Indiana (1988-2000).
During his last five years in office, the national violent crime rate fell 7.0 percentage points faster, murder fell 12.6 more, and rape fell 12.1 faster, while the aggravated assault rate in Fort Wayne actually rose 15.9%, trailing the national index by 38.4 points. In the five years since Helmke left office, Fort Wayne has beaten the national violent crime index by 11.2 percentage points.
He can’t even blame his failure on the state criminal justice environment. During his last five years as mayor, Indiana realized a 33.5% drop in the violent crime rate, beating the national index by 7.5 points and leaving Fort Wayne 14.4 points behind the state index.(15)
15 Compiled from FBI data.
Letter to reporter:
Dear Ms. Leonnig:
I think the basic problem I have with Mayor Fenty and his gun ban, besides the constitutional issue, is his inability to accept the failure of his administration to provide a safe city and really try to do something constructive about it.
The gun ban methodology doesn't work. He has tried that and it fails again and again. To keep trying the same thing and expect a different result is not a sane thing to do. There are reams of data that show this.
Similarly, there are reams of data that show properly configured "shall issue" laws reduce crime and make life safer for all...those who decide to carry and those who don't.
Mayor Fenty refuses to look for any solution that would enable people to overcome a basic truth: when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
This is not to bash police in any way. They simply are in a reactive mode more than 95% of the time, no matter how professional and tireless they may be. After being stalked for 14 months, I came to understand the limits of police protection very well.
Also, it is established law that police have no obligation to protect an individual but the general public, even if there were enough to go around.
Setting all that aside, the simple matter is that Fenty is defending a policy that usurps the natural and inalienable right of people to an effective self-defense. This is morally wrong on its face.
If you take the time to read the Founder's comments and related literature, even the words of Mahatma Ghandi, you find that self-defense is such a right, without which you have no other rights to anything.
The Founder's fundamental concern was that citizens could effectively defend themselves against predation by outlaws in their midst, by their own government or by foreign forces. The last two especially are related to the militia concept as a single citizen may not be up to the task of dealing with the latter two threats. This was a moral issue in their minds, and that view was influenced by literature predating the formation of these United States.
The weight of this literature and the Founder's discussions is why scholars like Larry Tribe have concluded the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. Tribe has been very honest about his own preference for expansive gun controls but his scholarship is more important to him. The right of individual self-defense, not just to have a gun, is the gist of the 2A.
Mayor Fenty does not appear so troubled, by his usurpation of a basic human right, by his inability to provide safety for citizens or his misinterpretation of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. Or by his own armed security measures, provided by the taxpayers.
If taking guns off the street really would solve the problem then Mayor Fenty should disarm his policemen. It is the guns that are the problem, right?
I think the honest thing to do is for Fenty to pursue his case with the Supreme Court. If he really in his heart believes his gun ban to be proper and effective, he should stand by his convictions. I predict he will lose the appeal, but so be it.
The dishonest thing will be to find another way via creative lawyering and legalisms to make new law which effectively bans guns but doesn't look that way, as in NYC. That way, the Brady Campaign and other groups can continue to operate, Paul Helmke will have a job, Richard Bloomberg a podium, etc. A lot is at stake besides the safety of DC residents. And in some minds, I donm't think that safety is a real concern, compared to others more related to personal agendas and profiles.
This too is immoral on its face.
We shall see.
Thank you for writing a fairly balanced article, too.
Dear Ms. Leonnig:
I think the basic problem I have with Mayor Fenty and his gun ban, besides the constitutional issue, is his inability to accept the failure of his administration to provide a safe city and really try to do something constructive about it.
The gun ban methodology doesn't work. He has tried that and it fails again and again. To keep trying the same thing and expect a different result is not a sane thing to do. There are reams of data that show this.
Similarly, there are reams of data that show properly configured "shall issue" laws reduce crime and make life safer for all...those who decide to carry and those who don't.
Mayor Fenty refuses to look for any solution that would enable people to overcome a basic truth: when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
This is not to bash police in any way. They simply are in a reactive mode more than 95% of the time, no matter how professional and tireless they may be. After being stalked for 14 months, I came to understand the limits of police protection very well.
Also, it is established law that police have no obligation to protect an individual but the general public, even if there were enough to go around.
Setting all that aside, the simple matter is that Fenty is defending a policy that usurps the natural and inalienable right of people to an effective self-defense. This is morally wrong on its face.
If you take the time to read the Founder's comments and related literature, even the words of Mahatma Ghandi, you find that self-defense is such a right, without which you have no other rights to anything.
The Founder's fundamental concern was that citizens could effectively defend themselves against predation by outlaws in their midst, by their own government or by foreign forces. The last two especially are related to the militia concept as a single citizen may not be up to the task of dealing with the latter two threats. This was a moral issue in their minds, and that view was influenced by literature predating the formation of these United States.
The weight of this literature and the Founder's discussions is why scholars like Larry Tribe have concluded the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. Tribe has been very honest about his own preference for expansive gun controls but his scholarship is more important to him. The right of individual self-defense, not just to have a gun, is the gist of the 2A.
Mayor Fenty does not appear so troubled, by his usurpation of a basic human right, by his inability to provide safety for citizens or his misinterpretation of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. Or by his own armed security measures, provided by the taxpayers.
If taking guns off the street really would solve the problem then Mayor Fenty should disarm his policemen. It is the guns that are the problem, right?
I think the honest thing to do is for Fenty to pursue his case with the Supreme Court. If he really in his heart believes his gun ban to be proper and effective, he should stand by his convictions. I predict he will lose the appeal, but so be it.
The dishonest thing will be to find another way via creative lawyering and legalisms to make new law which effectively bans guns but doesn't look that way, as in NYC. That way, the Brady Campaign and other groups can continue to operate, Paul Helmke will have a job, Richard Bloomberg a podium, etc. A lot is at stake besides the safety of DC residents. And in some minds, I donm't think that safety is a real concern, compared to others more related to personal agendas and profiles.
This too is immoral on its face.
We shall see.
Thank you for writing a fairly balanced article, too.
Johnny B
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I really hope this goes all the way to the Big One. With this Court, I honestly think it's very unlikely that the DC Court's ruling would be overturned. If that's the case, at least there's something to serve as a buffer/line of defense if a Democrat manages to slither into office in '08.
NickEllis
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Nice letter, ghschirtz
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