Gun Control Is Never Going Away

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2014 will be an interesting year. Sun Tzu had a curse he used to tell people I believe. "May you live in interesting times." Well by golly these are some interesting times. The Dems are not shy like they were After 1994. Now they are organizing and starting to push us from every angle they can get their hooks in.

If we're lucky it'll help us shift more fence sitters to our side. I've managed a few since Sandy Hook using the various posters on the democraticunderground crying out for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment and total confiscation of all guns. If we're not lucky, more poor unarmed types will vote Dem more often and as such gun control will gain more ground.

We thought Colorado was a bastion that would not fall, and it did. And yes we are working to take it back but there's no guarantee. We got some wins in Illinois and look to have some small ones coming in California but the struggle will never be over.

Remember who gun control supporters are. They are backed by the impoverished and intellectually bankrupt and corrupt. And there are a lot of impoverished folks out there and there numbers will only grow with the way things are going. Am I the only one who found strange that there's been almost no concerted effort to create jobs in this country.

Bloomberg is taking a bigger and bigger role in attacking the BOR and chiefly the 2nd Amendment. He's a frigging billionaire and yes he's been staunched a few times but he's also won a few things at the same time. Can anyone say the SAFE ACT?

Gun Control is becoming the new norm, but is resisting Gun Control the new norm yet. Has the majority of gun owners understood yet that they must actively resist all attempts at control at every possible turn. There are some even on THR that say we must give into Universal Background Checks and wah! wah! wah!. But it won't stop with that, it will never stop there is total confiscation for the antis. If you don't believe it I feel sorry for you.

The reality is that the causes of gun violence and gun suicide is what needs to be addressed but how often do you hear the antis dealing with those issues. They don't and they won't. If the amount of suicides by gun, Domestic Violence deaths by guns, and gang deaths by guns started to go down. The antis would lose their rallying cry. Hell the number of gun deaths has been on a twenty year downturn and they still talk like the world is ending. Ever death is a holocaust, every suicide is a genocide, they won't stop till they win.

And so I ask you. What are we doing. Yes we can write our Congress critters. We should always do that but what else are we doing. Are we joining the NRA en masse. The NRA is feared with four million members, imagine what they could do with twenty million members. How many of us are working to support valiant legal efforts like the SAF.

I get it, money is an issue but then look at what is in your house. How many guns do you own. How many crushed up beer or soda cans are sitting in your recycling or trash. If you could collect all your cans for the year and sell them for scrap and donate that money to a Pro-RKBA group, would you? At what point is the change in your pocket, that you throw on your dresser to let collect dust, enough to donate to those groups fighting for the rights you enjoy. Rights that others want to take away.

The world does not want an America that owns guns it seems like, and we have those here in America who say they are citizens that don't want us to have guns either. Sure we can talk about mass disobedience and noncompliance but those involve risks that may be too great for most people (look at Connecticut).

When do we realize and make clear that the struggle to defend our Gun Rights will never go away?
 
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Luckily gun support will never go away. we just need to make sure we have more people, money, and power on our side
 
There are some even on THR that say we must give into Universal Background Checks


When I saw those comments favoring UBC here on THR, I thought someone hacked into
the site.
 
I cannot imagine anyone agreeing to bringing UBC to private transactions. And that has little to do with the fact that they are guns.
 
Yes Bloomberg financed the Colorado gun grab. He wasn't entirely alone mind you but in the end we still lost and are now having to fight back.

So then it begs question. What are we doing to attack back? Where is it we are going into the den of lions and bringing the fight to them? Forcing them to defend themselves so they have to match our efforts on their home turf and not ours.

What's the most you are willing to sacrifice every month? What is it you are prepare to do to lend a hand? Because brother, they got billionaires on their side, and if we are to stand against giants, it will take us standing together.
 
TennJed then I ask you, how do we ensure we will always have the bigger numbers and bank books?
My personal way is to take new people to the range every chance I get. Get involved and support any youth shooting events you can. Talk respectively and logical to people at work or social setting who do not much about guns. Represent the "gun community" in a positve manner. Support the NRA
 
Agslaska, it's being agreed to and proposed everywhere the antis can do it. I mean in New Hampshire of all places they are trying it. Frigging New Hampshire. New Hampshire should be one of the few places we can count on always standing up to the antis but now even that is threatened.


It's because of night dirt like that I want to take the fight to California and wreak havoc in the political arena. Get every anti incumbent, be they sheriff or legislator tossed out, and if another anti takes their place fine, but the havoc it'll wreak is worth the fight the way I see it.

They want us to rest on Heller and McDonald, they want us to close our eyes and think the boogeyman is gone. We can't. I've never backed off a fight when I'm winning and the other guy can still move or is still conscious. I want him out for the count and we should be taking that tone with gun support.
 
TennJed you and I are on a similar footing and I'm glad you are. But I think we are going to have to start taking an even more active role in politics. In something most people consider repulsive. Lobbying.
 
TennJed you and I are on a similar footing and I'm glad you are. But I think we are going to have to start taking an even more active role in politics. In something most people consider repulsive. Lobbying.
I agree
 
If there is an association with a much stronger American gun lobbying organization in (DC etc) than the NRA, please tell me the name.

These requests always are followed by a deafening silence.
Until there is such a group, I'm glad to be an NRA member.

The Antis also have powerful lobbyists and very deep pockets to support their corrupt agenda.
 
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Bloomberg financed the Colorado gun grab.

And the pawns he used in his game got their jobs taken away by a pissed off general public who decided not to stand for it. Its going to be a little harder, at least in Colorado to get the next batch to vote for something like that.

My personal way is to take new people to the range every chance I get. Get involved and support any youth shooting events you can. Talk respectively and logical to people at work or social setting who do not much about guns. Represent the "gun community" in a positve manner. Support the NRA

These are all little things that we can all do and we all should.
I always have a hard time thinking of things to buy my family members for christmas. I think for 2014 Christmas, the guys will all get NRA memberships. They'll get a magazine. The NRA will get more funding to keep fighting the good fight.
 
If there is an association with a much stronger American gun lobbying organization in (DC etc) than the NRA, please tell me the name.

These requests always are followed by a deafening silence.
Until there is such a group, I'm glad to be an NRA member.

The Antis also have powerful lobbyists and very deep pockets to support their corrupt agenda.
We need to start a new organization solely just to elect pro-gun candidates in anti-gun states. And if there are no anti-gun candidates in anti-gun states, then lets get someone to defeat the most rabid anti-gunners. If every gun owner in the country would contribute just $1 to $5 per year for a fund just for this purpose, we can make big changes. Call it "Operation Retirement". I have suggested this numerous times on THR.
 
Ignition Override, I'm an NRA member myself and so long as I can help it I"ll never let it lapse. We need more NRA members. If we got 20 million active contributing members we could do even bigger things than we ever thought possible.

We need as many groups as we can get, as many gun owners as we can get to go Pro-RKBA. But we also need to start looking to ourselves and seeing what we can do to innovate. Be the next Steve Jobs of the RKBA world you might say.

Create a game of whack-a-mole. Show them we won't rest on the shoulders of the NRA alone.

Imagine twenty million gun owners contributing one dollar a year to the RKBA fight in California. Imagine what that could do. Imagine how big a check Bloomberg would have to angrily cut to combat it. Imagine what the news would say.

Imagine how many politicians we could buy with $20 million.
 
Midwest, take a look at my post http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=742061

Imagine what we could do with a self-sustaining and self-growing pile of cash in the RKBA fight. That's what I'm talking about in the post. We need the NRA but we need to go places they don't. Play games they won't (lawfully). Wreak havoc on anti incumbents.
Some of your suggestions are along the lines of what I have been suggesting.

"Operation Retirement" would allow anyone from from any state to help elect pro-gun candidates only in anti-gun states and areas. It serves one specific purpose and does nothing else. Nothing to join, no membership dues. It would collect donations at point of sale from anywhere in the U.S. of $1 or more. It would be simple, nearly autonomous and very little overhead.


"Operation Retirement"


I made a suggestion here on THR in another forum about starting another pro-gun organization solely for the election of pro-gun candidates in anti-gun states and areas around the U.S.I believe this suggestion should be given serious consideration.

It works like this, donations would be accepted online, by mail and more importantly at local gun stores. A minimum for a $1.00 donation to whatever the max is allowed by law will be accepted.

Anytime someone buys ammo or a firearm they can have an extra dollar or two taken out of their purchase and donated exclusively to this fund. They could pay by cash, credit card at the point of sale. Every gun store & FFL in the country could participate as well as any merchant no matter what they sell. The idea is to make it simple and yet as effective as possible.

A list of anti-gun states and areas (like Chicago and New York City) will be drawn up by using the Brady Bunch Rating as one of the guidelines for rank. This fund will be specific only to those states and areas of the country. This fund will not be used to support pro-gun candidates in generally pro-gun states, only in anti-gun states and areas.

Thus someone in Idaho buying some ammo or a firearm and could allocate an extra dollar or two at the point of purchase and help a elect pro-gun candidate in New York State with his/her contribution! (Or help defeat an rabid anti-gunner- if there is no real pro-gun candidate running).

A list of pro-gun candidates in anti-gun areas could be derived from some published list by the NRA, GOA, other pro-gun organizations or from all sources.

This organization should be totally separate from other pro-gun organizations and this organization would nearly be autonomous. People running the organization will be paid $1 per year salary and the rest run by volunteers.

We have some lawyers here at THR, I'm sure it is possible to set something like this up. I don't think anyone would have issues donating a dollar or two to something that has the potential of turning this country around for the better. Maybe if we give this serious consideration, we will be seeing less of these 'help what can we do threads'.

Will it change things overnight? No, it may very well take years. Just like it took years for gun rights to erode as bad as they are now in NY, NJ, MD, CT, CA, IL, CO and HI among others. But to sit there feeling helpless isn't the answer. How many gun owners are in this country? How many of those gun owners could donate a dollar or two to help make a change hundreds or thousands miles away?

And remember just because you might happen to live in a so called pro-gun state and feel safe and what happens in anti-gun states doesn't affect your little part of the world. It fact what happens in anti-gun states most definitely does affect your little word. Politicians in New Jersey have affected gun owners as far away as Alaska, Texas, Idaho, Florida and Maine. Ever hear of Senators Lautenberg and Hughes ? Do anyone of you who have never set foot in NJ ever have a chance to vote against these two politicians?

How about another politician, Senator Thomas Dodd from Connecticut was regarded as one of the main players in drafting the 1968 Gun Control Act. If you didn't live in CT at the time, you didn't have a chance to vote against him.

Ask yourself what if Lautenberg, Hughes and Dodd were defeated in the elections before their anti-gun legislation took hold? Would we be still talking about the 'Lautenberg Amendment', 'Hughes Amendment' or the '1968 Gun Control Act' today? Maybe not.

Some of us who live in so called pro-gun states need to help our fellow gun owners that still live in these anti-gun states. Because as I demonstrated, what politicians do in CT, NJ will affect your gun rights from Alaska to Florida at some time in the future.

Having a national organization that helps donate money money to pro-gun politicians in anti-gun states and areas, might prevent another Lautenberg or Hughes amendment from ever happening again. Bottom line, no matter where you live...we are all in this together.
 
If every one of 70 million gunowners would give nra $35 a year, for 6 years, we'd have NO anti-gun senators. That's just 10c a day. I'm not sure if it would be best to "un-elect" a bunch of the hard core anti -senators (who are rich and come from secure states for dems, costing us a lot to get rid of them, if it could be done at all) Probably our 5 billion every 2 years should be used toget rid of say, 15-20 of the weaker ones, first try, then 10-15 more the next election cycle for senators, (2 years for 1/3rd of the Senate) then 5-10 of the worst.

Only about 1/2 of 100 Senators are bad news for guns. So if we could get rid of 30 or so of them, we'd have a senate that not only would never pass a gun control bill, we could force the Prez and the House to repeal all the exisiting Federal gun laws (or see NONE of the laws that they want ever get passed). :) Senators typically "serve" for at least 18 years. Some are embedded in the job for 40 years.

But 95% of gunowners are riding free on the NRA members. I joined for life over 35 years ago. don't waste our money on the House, or the Prez. The House of Reps is not as "anti", and those guys have to get re-elected every 2 years. So they are less dangerous. We only need to REALLY control the Senate. So that's where we should focus all our efforts.

Don't kid yourself that a senate election doesn't cost 10's of millions of $ to win. Bloomberg spent 50 million, several years ago, just to become a mayor, ferchrissakes.
 
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Get ready to surrender, after your dead. Unfortunately, the gun culture is waning in mainstream America. Our young people are hunting and shooting in steadily diminishing numbers. They would rather enjoy the luxury and/or security that the big, urban areas offer (well, admittedly, a lot of the jobs that they need are there too), and they would rather play in the virtual world that practice self reliance or take up hunting as a sport. They would rather play games of combat on the laptop or TV instead of learning any REAL martial skills. I predict that the right to arms will eventually be written out of the Constitution as a result of advancing technology, the promise of security, and attrition of an armed public by way of ignorance, propagandization, and apathy . Oh, we'll be old and dead, and it might take 50-100 years, but it is over. Enjoy your guns now, and if you DO have heirs that will listen, teach them about self protection, self reliance, and the value of NEVER letting a government control the PEOPLE.......it should always be the other way around. I'm glad I will be dead; I do not want to live to see it.
 
Forget the moles, there are plenty pro 2A types walking among us doing everything they can to help the anti crowd with their cause. Negligent discharges, leaving firearms where children get their hands on them, things like that give the antis fuel and credibility. If we don't police ourselves "they" will do it for us.
 
Our young people are hunting and shooting in steadily diminishing numbers.
Hunting? Yes. Shooting? I'm not so sure. We've seen such explosions in the competition world and at the ranges and in the gun stores -- a great deal of it from young new enthusiasts. I'm not quite ready to say we're in decline.
 
It's very easy to get kids involved in shooting/hunting. You just can't be apathetic, lazy, or cheap and do so. Get them started playing "cops and robbers' with spring Airsoft guns, (with face masks and throat wraps, of course). $10 per gun, on Amazon, the pellets are like 1/4c per shot. move on to fast draw vs the timer, with airsoft. See if they are worth the effort, by having them shoot groups/bullseye with a pellet pistol. If so, take them to the range with .22's. be certain that eye and ear protection are used, even if you are not shooting, but others are on the range. Be certain that they are not burned by ejected brass or hot barrels, or revolver flashgaps! Don't let female shooters have any necklines for hot brass to go down!

Beware that they don't get their weakside hand in the way of the moving slide of an auto, too. If they work their way up thru mild handloads and get to something that recoils, don't let them sting their thumb on a cylinder latch. Best to let them try 9mm, then .45 then 223 in carbines, before trying any pistol but a .22. Failure does not make most people try harder. It makes them quit. Keep the targets big, close, and reactive. Do NOT show them how well/fast you shoot. It will just depress them.
 
First the good news...

all this gun control was what helped push my wife over into getting into guns.

Now the bad news, Gun Control is basically going away for now. "That's bad news you say?" The left knows they can't win on Gun Control, they have moved to something more winnable, ammo control. From banning lead bullets in some states, to adding taxes and background checks. Make ammo scarce and you don't need gun control. Also, they are working to make guns a health issue, and now that the government runs your health care, well you have a gun, you have to pay 100x the cost. The fronts are changing.
 
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