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this off Fox news.....
my cynical synopsis...
Police surveilance of a known bomber's appartment building sees a "dark skinned foreigner" leaving with a nap-sack and heading towards the tube. The Bobbies at the tube don't stop the guy and say "hey, what's in the bag" because they're afraid he'll blow them all up.
So what do they do?
Call the "Fire arms officers" to save the day.
Problem....they can't get their in time.
So then what does "Mr. nice Bobby" (who would never dream of protecting state disarmed civilians with a gun) do....let the suspected bomber board the train.
What is the very first thing the "fire arms officers" do when they get to the scene.......storm the train and put 7 bullets into the suspected bombers head.
Oh...by the way....the "suspect" is an imigrant electrician from Brazil going about his daily business.....probably running because he's late for the tube.
and the moral of the story....
A failed philosophy about firearms (guns kill people becasue people are "fundamentally good" and couldn't possibly be responsible for killing each other).....
breeds a failed government policy (disarm all people...well maybe just the little people).....
breeds a SOP at police headquarters (nice Bobbies don't pack).....
breeds a failed police response (don't look at him funny, he might blow us all up...and....just let him get on the train with all the little people.....and....where is he, bang! (X7).....
breeds........a dead imigrant electrician....who is after all, just a little people, so what's the big deal?
Maybe the U.K. would benefit from a little of their Calvanist Presbyterian legacy and resurect the doctrine of "total depravity". Nah! actually thinking, let alone tip-toeing through the TULIPs, isn't where it's at these days.
So....like....what ever happened to...
"freeze, hands up, you're under arrest"??
Obviously the Brits haven't watched enough Starsky and Hutch re-runs.
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LONDON — A jury on Thursday found London's police force guilty of violating health and safety laws in a high-stakes anti-terrorist operation that led to the shooting death of a Brazilian man mistaken for a suicide bomber.
London's Metropolitan Police was convicted of placing lives at risk and fined $362,000 in the operation that led to the death of 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes on July 22, 2005.
The forces was also assessed $798,000 in prosecution costs.
Prosecutors told the jury at London's Central Criminal Court that police killed de Menezes and put the lives of others at risk during their anti-terrorism operation because of flawed planning and chaos at headquarters.
The force had denied the charge, saying the killing was an error, not a crime. Police chief Ian Blair issued a statement after the verdict, expressing "my deepest regrets" over the killing.
The Brazilian electrician was killed by police who followed him into London's Stockwell subway station from an apartment building that had been linked to a failed bomber. He was shot seven times after he boarded a train.
The shooting occurred the day after a group of would-be suicide bombers botched an attack on London's transit system, and two weeks after a similar attack killed 52 commuters and four bombers on three subway trains and a bus.
No individual officers have been charged over de Menezes' death. The foreman of the jury told the court that blame did not rest with Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick, the officer in charge of the operation.
"In reaching this verdict the jury attaches no personal culpability to Commander Dick," he said.
Police lawyer Ronald Thwaites had argued that a health and safety prosecution should never have been brought and was a last resort by prosecutors who had failed to find enough evidence to charge any individual with murder or manslaughter.
Thwaites told the jury that de Menezes was shot because he had behaved suspiciously and "because when he was challenged by police he did not comply with them but reacted precisely as they had been briefed a suicide bomber might react at the point of detonating his bomb."
After two of the bombing suspects were identified as living in the same south London apartment building as de Menezes, police developed a plan to watch the building and stop anyone who came out for questioning. Firearms officers charged with making such stops did not arrive at the scene until several hours later, when de Menezes had already left.
Two teams of surveillance officers tailed de Menezes as he left his apartment and boarded two public buses before entering the subway system.
The prosecution said there was no good reason for the police to fail to stop a possible attacker from entering London's subway network, just two weeks after suicide bombers had killed 52 people.
"If he (de Menezes) had been a suicide bomber emerging with a backpack and a murderous intent, no one had any established plan that could have dealt with him because the firearms officers had not arrived," prosecution lawyer Clare Montgomery said.
Surveillance officers never positively identified de Menezes as a suspect or completely ruled him out, prosecutors said. Firearms officers, who arrived on the scene after de Menezes had entered the subway, believed he was a bomber and shot him dead.
my cynical synopsis...
Police surveilance of a known bomber's appartment building sees a "dark skinned foreigner" leaving with a nap-sack and heading towards the tube. The Bobbies at the tube don't stop the guy and say "hey, what's in the bag" because they're afraid he'll blow them all up.
So what do they do?
Call the "Fire arms officers" to save the day.
Problem....they can't get their in time.
So then what does "Mr. nice Bobby" (who would never dream of protecting state disarmed civilians with a gun) do....let the suspected bomber board the train.
What is the very first thing the "fire arms officers" do when they get to the scene.......storm the train and put 7 bullets into the suspected bombers head.
Oh...by the way....the "suspect" is an imigrant electrician from Brazil going about his daily business.....probably running because he's late for the tube.
and the moral of the story....
A failed philosophy about firearms (guns kill people becasue people are "fundamentally good" and couldn't possibly be responsible for killing each other).....
breeds a failed government policy (disarm all people...well maybe just the little people).....
breeds a SOP at police headquarters (nice Bobbies don't pack).....
breeds a failed police response (don't look at him funny, he might blow us all up...and....just let him get on the train with all the little people.....and....where is he, bang! (X7).....
breeds........a dead imigrant electrician....who is after all, just a little people, so what's the big deal?
Maybe the U.K. would benefit from a little of their Calvanist Presbyterian legacy and resurect the doctrine of "total depravity". Nah! actually thinking, let alone tip-toeing through the TULIPs, isn't where it's at these days.
So....like....what ever happened to...
"freeze, hands up, you're under arrest"??
Obviously the Brits haven't watched enough Starsky and Hutch re-runs.
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LONDON — A jury on Thursday found London's police force guilty of violating health and safety laws in a high-stakes anti-terrorist operation that led to the shooting death of a Brazilian man mistaken for a suicide bomber.
London's Metropolitan Police was convicted of placing lives at risk and fined $362,000 in the operation that led to the death of 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes on July 22, 2005.
The forces was also assessed $798,000 in prosecution costs.
Prosecutors told the jury at London's Central Criminal Court that police killed de Menezes and put the lives of others at risk during their anti-terrorism operation because of flawed planning and chaos at headquarters.
The force had denied the charge, saying the killing was an error, not a crime. Police chief Ian Blair issued a statement after the verdict, expressing "my deepest regrets" over the killing.
The Brazilian electrician was killed by police who followed him into London's Stockwell subway station from an apartment building that had been linked to a failed bomber. He was shot seven times after he boarded a train.
The shooting occurred the day after a group of would-be suicide bombers botched an attack on London's transit system, and two weeks after a similar attack killed 52 commuters and four bombers on three subway trains and a bus.
No individual officers have been charged over de Menezes' death. The foreman of the jury told the court that blame did not rest with Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick, the officer in charge of the operation.
"In reaching this verdict the jury attaches no personal culpability to Commander Dick," he said.
Police lawyer Ronald Thwaites had argued that a health and safety prosecution should never have been brought and was a last resort by prosecutors who had failed to find enough evidence to charge any individual with murder or manslaughter.
Thwaites told the jury that de Menezes was shot because he had behaved suspiciously and "because when he was challenged by police he did not comply with them but reacted precisely as they had been briefed a suicide bomber might react at the point of detonating his bomb."
After two of the bombing suspects were identified as living in the same south London apartment building as de Menezes, police developed a plan to watch the building and stop anyone who came out for questioning. Firearms officers charged with making such stops did not arrive at the scene until several hours later, when de Menezes had already left.
Two teams of surveillance officers tailed de Menezes as he left his apartment and boarded two public buses before entering the subway system.
The prosecution said there was no good reason for the police to fail to stop a possible attacker from entering London's subway network, just two weeks after suicide bombers had killed 52 people.
"If he (de Menezes) had been a suicide bomber emerging with a backpack and a murderous intent, no one had any established plan that could have dealt with him because the firearms officers had not arrived," prosecution lawyer Clare Montgomery said.
Surveillance officers never positively identified de Menezes as a suspect or completely ruled him out, prosecutors said. Firearms officers, who arrived on the scene after de Menezes had entered the subway, believed he was a bomber and shot him dead.
