Gun Grabbing, is it time to buy right now?

[bear71]

Can we expect more laws with the new political climate banning high capacity magazines, bayonets and other "evil" firearms or accessories?

What's going to get banned soon and should we be securing additional high caps now for fear of paying astronomical prices for pre bans again.

I ask because I bought a new P-01 that came with two 10 rounders, which I find ok for range use, but have been considering a few 14 rounders. They are somewhat spendy though which is money I could be putting toward another firearm or ammunition.

 

[GreenFurniture]

Buy what you can now.

There will be a ban in place by Fall.

 

[Manedwolf]

If you own a gun store or sell online, yes, convince as many people as you can that the TIME TO BUY IS NOW NOW NOW!

Seriously. Laws don't move quickly, and I doubt the dems want to draw their sword and then immediately fall on it.

That said, due to the unprectability of SOME state legislatures, it never hurts to buy extra hi-caps.

 

[AJAX22]

My take on the situation is that 'they who shall not be named' have gotten smarter since their last grab. The only way they can loose the 08 presidential election is to start grabbing guns now in 07. Instead, they are going to wait till after they have controll to start snatching our toys this time.

so, I would pick up anything you can't live without, this time around it may not have a sunset provision, but you may have a bit of time to do it. Just don't wait till 09, they'll be gone by 10

 

[tellner]

Well, they have been acting a lot like Republicans. The GOP didn't start showing its true colors and finish taking all of our rights until they had control of all three branches of government.

 

[Biker]

True, Todd...

Biker

 

[frostbiker]

Yes, we can expect more of our rights to be whittled away over the next couple of years. I don't see the Dems going after guns right this instant, though. Why waste a good thing and a tentative hold on the legislature? I think they will wait until the control the White House AND the legislature before going after our guns.

Buy and buy now while the prices are right and the paranoia is low. And don't forget to buy extra mags while you are at it. Get your shopping list together and make sure you get extra furniture and spare parts for each gun as well. No telling what they are going to go after, or what they are going to outright ban.

 

[longeyes]

Buy now, sure, but don't expect them not to come later to demand your stash. It's not when you bought, it's THAT you bought. We all know the agenda here, it's total civilian disarmament, slowly but surely.

P.S. I recently bought a Ruger SP-101 "just in case" semi-autos are declared verboten.

This doesn't change the fundamental issue, though.

 

[bear71]

"Buy now, sure, but don't expect them not to come later to demand your stash. It's not when you bought, it's THAT you bought. We all know the agenda here, it's total civilian disarmament, slowly but surely.

P.S. I recently bought a Ruger SP-101 "just in case" semi-autos are declared verboten.

This doesn't change the fundamental issue, though."

Longeyes,

You have alot of posts and have been here for a long time, I can see your points here, how would you foresee total disarmament happening, cops or govt officials literally showing up at your door systematically through all neighborhoods with search warrants and literally taking ones firearms?

Or do you think it would be like a mandatory turn in of all firearms by a certain date, after which any possession would be deemed a criminal offense. Are guys going to give up their grandfathers 1911 or the first pistol that was given as a gift by a wife or son?

 

[armedpolak]

bear71

i sure home people would shoot back.
but who here would be brave anough to fire the first shot? i'm not sure if i would be.

is it ok to shoot your fellow citizens, if they are on the side of government disarming you?

 

[Manedwolf]

You have alot of posts and have been here for a long time, I can see your points here, how would you foresee total disarmament happening, cops or govt officials literally showing up at your door systematically through all neighborhoods with search warrants and literally taking ones firearms?

That, thankfully, is only of issue in nonfree states with registration.

My state neither knows what I own, nor cares, because I'm not a felon. I like that way.

And I think pretty much every dealer would have a unfortunate mishap that destroyed all of their sales forms, if it came to that.

And if you want to buy something you're worried about them banning, get the EBR you want and some hi-cap mags.

 

[MD_Willington]

P.S. I recently bought a Ruger SP-101 "just in case" semi-autos are declared verboten.

Same here, Taurus snubbie and a bolt rifle in calibers I have ammo for already are on the shopping list.

 

[Justin]

Well, they have been acting a lot like Republicans. The GOP didn't start showing its true colors and finish taking all of our rights until they had control of all three branches of government.

Well, that'll give us until 2008, then. Glad we could clear things up.

 

[bear71]

Great forum you've got here Justin, it's nice to be here.

 

[Leanwolf]

- Quote:
LONGEYES - "P.S. I recently bought a Ruger SP-101 "just in case" semi-autos are declared verboten."

MD WILLINGTON - "Same here, Taurus snubbie and a bolt rifle in calibers I have ammo for already are on the shopping list."

Well, seems to me you guys have already given in to Big Brother and Big Nanny. As soon as they order you to turn in your semi-auto rifles, pistols, and shotguns, you'll just crawl on your hands and knees down to the local KGBATF office and hand them in. "Here they are, Massa, here they are! Don' wan them evil thangs 'round my house no way!"

But, you'll still be okay 'cause you have your handy dandy revolver and bolt action rifle.

Are you people who think like this, so childlike, so naive, so deluded, and so ignorant of Real Politik, that you actually believe that not long AFTER the semi-auto ban and confiscation, that the communistnazis won't then pass another law banning your revolvers, bolt rifles, and that single shot shotgun you got from ol' Gran'pap??

Get real, folks.

The communistnzis have absolutely no intention whatsoever of allowing us worker peasants and serfs to possess firearms. The communistnazis can never afford to be physically challenged.

L.W.

 

[jnojr]

Well, seems to me you guys have already given in to Big Brother and Big Nanny. As soon as they order you to turn in your semi-auto rifles, pistols, and shotguns, you'll just crawl on your hands and knees down to the local KGBATF office and hand them in. "Here they are, Massa, here they are! Don' wan them evil thangs 'round my house no way!"

While you'll spit in their eye and dare them to come try to take your guns, right? You'll fight them off, or go out in a blaze of glory

 

[azredhawk44]

Leanwolf is right.

I own revolvers purely for love of the platform. Not because they are going to get a "pass" from the gun grabbers.

I don't care if they selectively ban guns and start off with naming specific brands and models starting with "Winchester Model 94's" starting at serial number 37xxxxxx. They don't get mine.

 

[DJW]

This thread is very interesting. My little brother and I have been talking about confiscation since about 1960 and while there have been some bumps(klinton for example)along the road, the reality is that we both have our CHL permits and can currently carry, buy, and collect just about anything we can afford. Not such a bad time to be alive in the USA. What the future will bring is not clear as my crystal ball is foggy at the moment.
DJW

 

[tellner]

Not quite true, Justin. It would take another quarter century of Democratic rule. The courts are stacked hard to the Right. Eighty five percent of the bench is Republican-appointed.

Now let's see what happens. If the Dems chip away at the *spit* USA PATRIOT Act, the treasonous Military Commissions Act and the Defense Authorization Act that got rid of Posse Commitatus and allowed the POTUS to rule by decree and put (I quote) "undesireables" into concentration camps will anyone here say "Maybe the Dememonrats aren't quite as bad as I thought. Maybe they are better than the Greedy Old Plutocrats on civil liberties"? I sincerely doubt it. Even the Angel With the Sword wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise in the teeth of the RNM.

 

[M2Pilot]

Good posts tellner. I do wish some good Americans would open their eyes.

 

[Phetro]

Not quite true, Justin. It would take another quarter century of Democratic rule. The courts are stacked hard to the Right. Eighty five percent of the bench is Republican-appointed.

Yeah, folks like Souter and Kennedy. You try to make it seem like a Republican problem, but anyone that thinks for a moment knows full well that the problem isn't and never was Republicans. It's people who ACTED like Republicans to get elected/appointed, and then betrayed the party. Unless you really think welfare staters, baby aborters and the like are actually "good" for us.

 

[Soybomb]

so, I would pick up anything you can't live without, this time around it may not have a sunset provision,

Out of curiosity if you assume it won't sunset why would assume it would have a grandfathering in of pre-owned weapons? I would expect the ban would be attempted to be "fixed" this time to really reduce crime by making the banned items completely illegal.

I wouldn't expect any gun control legislation from the federal government until they take the white house and even then I'm not sure the US will be in the political climate for it then. I don't believe a Democrat controlled government right now would pass one. State based bans are something that loom as a much more impending danger for many of us.

Why does everyone always assume there would be a confiscation day if there was a ban with jack booted thugs marching in the streets with trucks full of guns or that registration would be vital. If there were a ban with no grandfathering there would be no door to door searches. What are you going to do? Go to the range and wait to be arrested when a LEO sees your now illegal weapon? Be pulled over and for some reason a LEO finds the now illegal gun? Its not very grandiose to suggest the SS won't be marching down the street shaking down homes and people would instead just simply be jailed as they're caught with their illegal weapons but its far more likely.

 

[Baba Louie]

.gov doesn't have to ban anything. Just jack up the price of ammunition via taxation for health care costs associated with the dreaded "gun violence", or lead poisoning control via the EPA using the good old interstate commerce clause; promoted and sold as "doing something GOOD for ALL Americans". 10,000% was too much and turned off too many people. 50% here, 150% next year, 300% a couple of years later... you get the drift. It's for the children. For the land. For a safer America.
What good are firearms if there's little, heavily controlled ammunition available? That way there's no infringement on anyone's right... collective or individual... right? I'm sure we could get a 9th court ruling stating that's so and a SCOTUS that passes on hearing the case.

O' Course then there's knives and archery equipment... nah.

But, it is true that the price of firearms probably won't go down, so get 'em while the getting's good. And stock up on your favorite ammo too. You really can't have too much of either. Really. BJ Clinton and Janet Reno were two of America's finest gun salesmen.

Well, seems to me you guys have already given in to Big Brother and Big Nanny

Seems to me, I'd bet dollars to donuts that there's quite a few evil, black, pistol gripped, detachable magazine, bayonet lugged, flash hider attached, self loading sporter rifles hidden here and there in CA homes that never did see registration paperwork filled out... what with the CA population of rural Americans being what it is and all. They just don't want to talk about it very much. Rightfully so.

Always remember the old cliche, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." There'll just be a whole lot more of mostly law-abiding outlaws when that time comes.

I remember my Dad ranting and raving back in '68 (and he STILL voted D the rest of his life!?). Before he passed on on '04 he told me that this isn't the same America he knew or grew up in. He was right. In some ways it's worse. In a lot of ways, it's better. Life's like that. We get lemons, we make lemonade.

 

[Cacique500]

My big fear has always been the potential limiting of primers. They start something on those little things under the guise of "explosives" and that'd be the end of modern ammunition. Where's that damn tinfoil hat icon when I need it? Oh yeah...

 

[Jim March]

I have had a chance to recently peruse a 2007 volume of what amounts to the "National Progressive Agenda".

I can't recall the actual source but it was in the possession of a county level Democratic official.

The ONLY thing in there on guns is, basically, they want to go past wailing about "gun show loopholes" and close down all private party off-paper transactions in all states, esp. for handguns.



They might be able to push that in some states. Federal level seems doubtful.

Guys, I think between now and '08 the Dems aren't going to go on a major gun-grabbing tear. They're not going to want to stir up the GOP base. They realize us gunnies and the NRA hurt Kerry BAD and they've got enough stuff to stir up their own base with (Iraq, mainly) without resorting to gun grabbing.

They're going to want to keep guns off the radar.

That doesn't mean they've changed their tune. If they get both Federal houses of Congress plus the Prez, THAT will be the time to start scoring off-paper pieces by any means possible .