Gun ideas that seem good on paper, but nobody really likes once they come out...

[xcgates]

Oyeboten: Is it safe to say that is a photoshopped picture? I've seen a picture similar to that, if not the same one, but I just have a hard time seeing someone actually going to the effort to make that for real.

 

[Oyeboten]

Lol...yes, I imagine it is an image manipulated by the Artist. Pretty amusing!

There is a similar image I have seen, of a Revolver arranged that way, but I could not find it on 'google'.


Of course, the 'GyroJet' never quite caught on, even though it did have real merits for some applications.

I remember everyone being all gaga about it when it came out...pretty cool idea...which if it had some more R&D put into it, could have got the bugs worked out I am sure.

I run across minty ones now and then at Gun Shows, but, I never have taken the plunge.

Ammunition is expensive...and likely 'stale'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

 

[Shadow 7D]

Oyeboten:
What a terrible malignment of a classic CZ 27, a beautiful pistol way before it's time, not to mention finely machined and WAY overbuilt, I prefer the S&W, never like the damn revolvers anyways.

 

[Zoidberg523]

Yeah, those HK MP10 really suck, so do the PS90's, hell the PPSH and Tommy where horrible

Automatics will always be popular. He said semi-auto pistol caliber sub guns.

Not that I agree with that, however. There are tons of semi-auto sub guns for those of us that cannot afford the cost of fully automatic weapons.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

9mm WinMag (9x29), 9x23 Winchester, 9mm Largo all no/not much better than the .38 Super.

I think the point of the 9mm Largo and 9x23 were to circumvent laws in a lot of countries forbidding civilian posession of military calibers, i.e. 9x19mm. IIRC, the 9x23 was specifically designed to mirror 9x19 performance while being a different cartridge for civilian use.

 

[berettaprofessor]

Getting fashion design firms involved in creating guns; Beretta employed an Italian design firm to help design their biggest failure; the 9000 (now no longer made and never sold well), and the newer PX4, which is still up in the air but has yet to catch on (and is the ugliest gun Beretta makes IMHO).

 

[GEM]

Is the 9000 the one that they sold to Turkey and now imported by Stoeger?

How about that Ruger Mini rifle in 308 that never saw the light of day.

Also, 9mm revolvers by Taurus? They came and went and where's the Charter Arms version?

 

[Boba Fett]

How about a single action revolver or proprietary semiauto chambered in 30 Carbine? Neither of those seemed really popular (and anyone who has shot one can tell you why)..

Why? Tell me before I blow a grand on one.


I always wanted to get one of these and now that High Standard will be making them again I really want one:

http://www.highstandard.com/

* Fully adjustable 3 dot sights
* Caliber .30 carbine
* Semi-automatic
* Barrel length 6 3/8”, overall 10 ½”, width 1 ¼”
* Rifling lead left twist (1-10)
* Barrel Grooves 6
* Weight 43 ounces
* Magazine capacity 8
* Stainless steel
* Carbon fiber grips

First Successful production auto pistol in Ml .30 carbine caliber

Magnum Velocity, light recoil AUTOMAG III is a hefty succeeder to the innovative .22 Magnum AUTOMAG II series. Distinctively styled in the stainless steel, AUTOMAG III is the first successful auto pistol to pack exciting ml .30 Carbine caliber power.

HISTORIC CALIBER

Developed early in World War II, the Ml Carbine quickly proved its capability as an outstanding, highly reliable, light-weight combat weapon. The famous carbine served U.S. soldiers and Marines in battle from France’s Normandy beachhead to the sands of Iwo Jima and Okinawa in the Pacific. Now the historic Ml .30 Carbine caliber is featured in AMT’s new, sleek AUTOMAG III. This pistol continues the AUTOMAG tradition of innovative design and attractive styling. It is the first successful production semi-automatic handgun manufactured in this caliber.

 

[Deus Machina]

Why? Tell me before I blow a grand on one.

.30 Carbine is a round for a small rifle. Using it in a handgun creates one heck of a flash and bang and recoil, but dismal performance.

I imagine it would work pretty well if you reload for a shorter barrel, but you may need to finagle with springs.

 

[ants]

One of these days, someone will take a .30 Carbine Automag and ream the chamber for 7.62 Tokarev. That cartridge shoots a 110g bullet nearly 2000 feet per second.

I'm not saying it will catch on, but it will be fun for somebody.

 

[Floppy_D]

No one mentioned The Judge yet?!?

 

[devildog66]

I realize that many of the short action magnum rifle cartridges have met with moderate success but it also seems that there in the early part of this century that manufacturers were bringing out Super Short Magnum EVERYTHINGS based on the 404 Jeffery cartridge. Again, more marketing (don't blame them) to replace non-existent problems.

Oh, and the pistol bayonet makes me laugh whenever I see one - careful on the re-holster there Tex...

Just for Floppy, Although it is hardly a commercial failure, in fact, it is quite the oposite, but the Taurus Judge for home defense. Bulky, slow to reload, and a bad trigger - what a deal...

The Kimber series II and Colts series 80 firing pin blocks. More answers to a non-problem.

 

[Dr.Rob]

I waited and waited for that Ruger XG-1.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The SIG Sauer P250 is definantly one of them. If it had a DA/SA version it would sell, i'm sure.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Internal locks-yeah they are everywhere for the wrong reasons and I am pretty sure everyone either does not like them and/or does not know what they are.

Once again though it seemed good on paper....to liberals.

 

[R.W.Dale]

One of these days, someone will take a .30 Carbine Automag and ream the chamber for 7.62 Tokarev. That cartridge shoots a 110g bullet nearly 2000 feet per second.

I'm not saying it will catch on, but it will be fun for somebody.

No it doesn't

30 CARBINE in a CARBINE shoots a 110g bullet at appx 2000fps and 1600 or so in a handgun

7.62x25 shoots an 85 grain bullet at appx 1600 fps from a handgun and about 2000 fps from a carbine

"reaming" an automag to tokarev would be a significant DECREASE in performance. I should know I've owned both.

 

[Shadow 7D]

the issue is the powder, a rifle round expels alot of unburnt powder and a lot of potential energy goes byebye in a large flash at the muzzle of the gun,

I would love to see where you are getting those numbers because that is close to what a .30 carbine is supposed to do you of a rifle, let alone a pistol.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Not the powder burnrate vs bbl length MYTH!


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! When will it ever end?

I'm goint to assume you're completely unaware of the fact that the best powders for 30carbine are also the best performing propellants for........

.........


....


.....357 and 44 magnum.

 

[rbernie]

Why? Tell me before I blow a grand on one.

Shooting a Blackhawk or Automag in 30 Carbine will be one of the most deafening experiences of your life.

BTDT.

My 4" Mountain Gun with full house loads kicked a lot more (duh) but wasn't as insanely loud or blinding using full-house loads of H110 as was shooting milsurp 30 Carbine ammo thru a 30 Carbine handgun.

 

[Boba Fett]

Not the powder burnrate vs bbl length MYTH!


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! When will it ever end?

LOL

a rifle round expels alot of unburnt powder and a lot of potential energy goes byebye in a large flash at the muzzle of the gun

I thought muzzle flash was the escaping gases of already burned powder...not powder bursting into flames as it leaves the barrel? I really don't know much about it, so feel free to school me

Shooting a Blackhawk or Automag in 30 Carbine will be one of the most deafening experiences of your life.

Ahhhh ok. Even with hearing protection I take it.

Hmmm. I'd probably want to shoot one before buying then. No point in blowing a grand if I hate shooting it because of the noise.


I'm guessing using this as a HD gun would cause you and the BG to bleed...him from the wounds and you from the ears

 

[thewilbur]

RCBS Little Dandy Rotors 0 and 00. What is going on here anyway? Anyone for reloading 25 Auto? I didn't think so.

 

[Shadow 7D]

it's that too, but if you have unburnt powder it goes up in the flash too, and makes a really big flash.

 

[Zack]

12/20g pistol/revolver ??
ar-15 30-06?

 

[Poprivit]

Not a good idea

9-shot/one shotgun load (10-shot) LeMat Civil war handgun. I owned two repops and they both broke before I could get them back into the Navy Arms box for return.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

The original M16.