Gun ownership in France -- still active

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Hello All, salut Barman et FrenchBushMaster,

I also remember in France a certain limit buying ammo per year, I don't know if that still actual.

Pistolet a grenailles "sorry I don't remember the word in English" are now classified in category and must be registred to the Police station.

I am glad to live in US to enjoy the freedom, to support the NRA, own, reload, and shoot at the range club all my firearms.

Coming from a country were guns restrictions are most of the time stupid, I would make sure to do my best and support the 2nd ammendement of US for our Americans friends.

Be all safe,
 
That is why tired old jokes about French weapons are not welcome on THR...we have allies in that country and they should be made welcome.

I realize this is your forum, Oleg, but let's not be hypocritical.

You sell this image on LibertyOutlet.com.

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Sorry, but sometimes the moderators need reminding too.
 
The law of 1983 apparently just requires "permission" from the Minister of Justice to own most types of guns.

Yes, that's all. Your guns are registered when you buy them either in a shop or from a private person. They also figure on your "permit". And of course they do a background check. That's all that is required and I have no problem with that.
 
I think like in all the europeen country actualy the laws about guns are more and more strict.
But no complet ban exist.

The problem is that many governments are "afraid" by the guns in civilian hands.:(

The law change in 1995 in France but not for any question about immigration. Officialy. I think many people work for supress weapons for civilian peoples.
It's not realy a proble for shooter or hunter. But any body cant buy a gun in France. It's not so stupid because without any knoledge this person is dangerous for her and for the people around her.
An other possibility but it's not an official point of view is that the "extrem right" politic group was growing in 90's years and like they where xenophobe and agressive peoples. Perhaps the law modification will be apply a part for not lets these peoples a too easy access to weapons. But it's only a hypothesys.

For the home defense it's clear you could us your gun. But like it's a SPORT GUN. You have not used it in the respect of the law. You will have many problem. The solution we have here it's no lethal weapons (GC54, GC27, SAFEGOM, FLASHBALL, etc.)
Before 1995 you could have a gun for defense but since this date the authoryti dont give this possibility and people with this authorisation you must renew every 5 years. When you come for renew it. It's supress and you must sell your gun. Clear ! No gun for defense in France. We are a safe country. CALL 911 (17 for us Police secours).

I have see Laetitia Daguenel during the last Fun shoot and IPSC shoot in VERTUS (north of France middle of Champagne county). Nice girl and realy good shooter.

I think for NRA our laws are not good because it's not free access to the weapon. We need to be shooter, we need to be in a shooting club, we need to wait a investigation, etc...
But we could have weapons. And for us it's realy the best final point.
The most important is this.

NRA ahve probably speak a lot about the British law.
Realy completly crazy.

About the limit for the volum of cartridge I confirm.
For a 1st or 4th categorie caliber (ex : 223 rem, 7.62x39, 9mm, 45ACP, 357mag, etc...) you could buy only 1000 cartridge every year. But you could reload without any limit.
This is the reason why I prefer my AR15 in 222 rem caliber. It's a hunting caliber so no limit I could buy 10 000 cartridges if I want :p

And some caliber are not classified like the 44 rem mag. It's classified like a hunting caliber for carbines.:D

The "pistolet a grenailles" was the copy of real gun using small shootgun cartridge, it's exact. They are used for defense. Every body could buy it in a gunsmith shop before 1995. But many guy used it for attack people and thay are forbidden today. Classified like a 357mag in 4th category gun.

The law is complexe. I have an exemple.
In the past I have a MOSSBERG COMBO SHOOTGUN. Now it's forbidden so the police confiscate my rifle 5 years ago.
But last year I found on the french market the NORINCO 1887. 12/70 caliber. 5 shoots capacity. I have buy it. It's an old system lever action, no problem. I could have this gun without any other request that my national shooter card. Easy !

I want just precise somethink about the laws I discribe. When I say the classification of your gun could change and be up clasified if you have to much capacity or a claiber classified. I have see 357mag lever action ROSSY carbin free sell in my usual gunsmith shop. so the law is not so clear !?
But it's clear you could not buy the cartridge! ?:scrutiny:
Clearly classified cartridge.:banghead:

One of my link (AR15France) dont work.
Used this : http://feulibre.forumactif.com/Dive...-voyage-mais-des-sorties-entre-amis-t4024.htm

Last point. Someone speak of magazine limit capacity. No limit for use for Classified guns. I have 20 / 30 and 90 round magazines for my AR15.

For the not classified gun the limit is 10 shoots.
But for exemple. If I buy a 700 remington. And I make modification for used M14 magazines. I could buy a 20 rounds magasine it's free. No problem. But I must not used it. No no !! It's not good. I'm a bad guy if I do this :evil:

See you lady's and gentlemen.
And sorr yfor my english. Realy rusty!
 
I would just like to mention that "the European countries" is as false as talking about "the USA" in terms of gun-control.
Some countries like Belgium(I think), Luxembourg and Switzerland - have kinda liberal gun-control whereas other countries like GB, Germany and also France(I think) have pretty tight restrictions or complete bans on weapons.

ps:If you've got any questions concerning Germany feel free to ask.
 
They have the privelidge of applying for permission from the government to possess or use arms for specific purposes.

We have the "right" to keep and bear them.

Just because they don't have the right does not mean some are not allowed the privelidge.

People in the USA are just starting to get the two confused as more and more laws are enacted that make it a privelidge requiring licensing/permission.

That is why you see the "wow I had no idea they could have firearms" responses. They wrongly assume not having a right that "shall not be infringed" means some can not still have a privilidge that can be infringed at any time.

There is a big difference. The right in America was created by the founding fathers to resist tyranny and fight against the government and its agents if necessary, just like they had against thier previous government (England). That is unique in the world, and is what the 2nd protects.
The privelidge in other places, like France, is for sports, hunting, and in some places defense against criminals. They have no permanent unquestionable right as the founding fathers intended for America, merely a temporary privelidge granted by thier rulers on an individual basis.

The "right" is being removed in America, the "privelidge" however is being added, and then restricted at a slow pace, and it is causing confusion as to the difference.

The layman might see no difference in the immediate result, both possess arms.
One of the most important differences however is the "right" fosters a mentality of freedom and liberty which is a birth right they were given through the blood and sacrifice of others which it is thier duty to defend, and the "privelidge" fosters a kind of submissive benevolence to the rulers who show enough trust in them as "good citizens" to give them a weapon.

One encourages appeasement to rulers and others to continue to enjoy granted privelidges, and the other self reliance and sense of personal duty to retain freedom and liberty.
 
I want to thank Barman and Frenchbushmaster for their posts; you have taught me things that I didn't know and I always appreciate new knowledge.

I'll have to visit France someday; I'll ride a bicycle, shoot some guns, and then drink some wine. What better day than that!
 
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Pistolet a grenailles "sorry I don't remember the word in English"

Do you mean a shotgun?

Yes, but for pistol, this is why I did not say shotgun
 
M.E. Eldridge
What's the gun industry like in France? Are there many gun companies over there?

Manufacture d'armes de Saint-Étienne (MAS) Which made many weapons some popular are:

PA MAC 50/PA 35 (SA Pistol)
MAS 36 (bolt action)
Mas 39/56 (semi-auto)
AA52 (Full Auto)
FAMAS (Assault)

Manufacture d' Armes De Tulle

MAT 49 (Machine gun)

Perhaps more or under licence made by others
 
The right in America was created by the founding fathers to resist tyranny and fight against the government

Rights were never created by people. They are pre-existent and apply to all humans. Even in countries that don't recognize the right....
 
It's a great pleasure to compare our point of view and our shooter life and "problem".

Like you say. In Europe, the weapon alway been a privelidge of powerfull. The actual situation is the same.
For politician, we dont need it. Why ?
If they say you need a gun, they say there security politic is not efficient. Impossible.
Second point theyre could not risk any possibility people make a seconde french revolution.
We are bad guy's when the situation become to much hard, we cut the head of the big boss :evil: AH AH AH ! LOL !:D

The French law is not funny. I agree.
But like many french shooter I used to say Belgium law is better. But I discover many bad think last week when I visit gunsmith in Belgium.
For exemple you could have machine gun !! Of course when I say you this. It's paradis. BUT !!
BUT !! You need to produce a fiel for describe witch collection you will do (US machine gun second world war for exemple and you will have an euthorisation only for this weapon definition (no MG34, no modern weapons,etc.).
After you have an investigation (usualy .... 5 YEARS !:what:)
After you need a vault room. You need an alarm direct link with the police station. the police could refuse the link. And finaly the best !!
It's forbidden to used the weapon. You have it only for collection !!:(

Of course it's better than "neutralisation". But it's like if you have a Ferrari 250 GTO in the garage and you must not start the engine or like if you are maried with a nice women and you could not love her.:banghead:
Belgium is finaly not the paradis of I my dream.

So I think the best laws are Switzerland and Luxembourg laws.

See you, Mick.
 
BTW, there's a public range right by Versailles. With your back to the mansion, walk down the steps and turn left. Exit the huge hedge and onto the public road. Turn right. Follow it and you'll hear gunshots. It's a public range. Kudos to those Frenchmen who share our love for the sport.
 
I'm impressed barman. I wish I could be there just to watch and even write an article about SASS in France. Of course, the American readers would want details about authenticity in clothing, holsters, firearms and I'm no expert on the cowboy era.
 
vive la france. :evil:

man, maybe i'll have something to do there when the missus drags me to paris on the next shopping trip. :p

barman - i understand many UK subjects have moved to france to shoot there.

what are the laws for foreigners to possess and shoot firearms in France?

thanks again ... this thread rocks.
 
what are the laws for foreigners to possess and shoot firearms in France?

thanks again ... this thread rocks.

Thank you.

To be honnest, I don't know much about the laws concerning foreigners. But, in the shooting club I attended this year, a few foreigners were members (one guy was Polish, another one was Russian) and used their own firearms that they had pruchased over here, but they had residency permits.

I know that several shooting ranges rent guns to people so that they can use them, and as long as you provide an ID, I'm almost sure there shouldn't be any problem.
 
The thing with French laws is that lots of illegal things are "tolerated". There is a huge differenece based upon if you live in a densely populated urban area or in the countryside. We are very keen on being moderate about enforcing laws.

LOL

"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"
"Your winnings, sir."

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I'm not as ofen here.
Like this post is a beat the french window, I will continue to demonstrate you we are an alive shooter country :D

Like my dear compatriot Barman speak in a post of the "PARIS WESTERN SHOW".
Like I visit this show. I show you some pictures of this event.
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I have the pleasure to say you that during this show, I meet a group of people trying to create an European association for promotion of Cowboy Action Shooting. Exactly an European SASS association.

Realy kind and pleasant people.
Realy realy a great pleasure to discused with them.

For finish, I give you very little video link.

British shooter civilian war demonstration :

http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/...on shooting/?action=view&current=MVI_9694.flv

http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/...on shooting/?action=view&current=MVI_9693.flv

Cowboy action shooting :
by a british demonstrator
http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/...COWBOY SHOW/?action=view&current=MVI_9678.flv

and me just try this realy fun shooting.
http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/...COWBOY SHOW/?action=view&current=MVI_9680.flv

See you, Mick.
 
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