Gun ownership on the decline?

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Woke up this morning, made coffee and sat down to read another anti-gun story in the Columbus Dispatch. Now they are reporting that gun ownership has steadily declined every decade since 1970 based off some recent survey conducted most likely by some liberal anti-gun group. I call BS. First off, probably a bogus survey in general, but probably many people wouldn't admit to owning a gun today anyways if called on the phone due to being worried it's big brother checking in. What say you? Do you buy that gun ownership is down? Would be amazing since we've had something like 2 years straight of monthly record sales.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...0/american-homes-less-likely-to-have-gun.html
 
quote: "Measuring the level of gun ownership can be difficult; recent national polls reported rates between 35 percent and 52 percent. Responses can vary because the survey designs and the wording of questions differ."

yes- I'm sure there is a decline ... but is it that significant? highly doubtful.

also - we should not forget that there has been a change in the kind of weapons owned. Back in the 70s there was much more hunting around then now.
 
Maybe, just maybe, the percentage of citizens owning a gun today is lower than it was when I was a kid. These days, a lot more people are living in cities, many people have been raised and "educated"(indoctrinated) by a leftist-dominated education system...Yes, that is a possibility.

However, the sheer number of guns owned in the US is certainly far higher than it was 10-20-or more years ago. And I would bet good money that the "average" gun owner today owns several (or more), whereas my dad owned a single-shot .22 rifle and his WWII 1911.

So I'm going with Mark Twain on this one. :)
 
Ok - the article says the percentage of men who hunt has declined since the 1970s.

Yup, that's quite true. I know more gun owners today who don't hunt, have never hunted, and have no desire to hunt ever than was true 20 years ago.


Secondly - the majority of those polled were asked about their gun ownership in person.

Surveys done in person are notoriously unreliable.


FOXNews did a poll in December that showed rates of gun ownership rising. And the rates rose across all demographics and political affiliations.

That poll is worthless.
 
The relevant thing is that with so many fewer firearms owners currently than in the past that it makes sense that reloading components and ammo are sitting on the shelves collecting dust and priced BELOW 1970 levels. Simple! Guess I'll go out tomorrow morning and buy a few $5.00 bricks of .22 rimfire.
 
Oh, and I just thought of this:
In the last five years, I personally know probably a dozen people who have bought their first gun (and most of them, their second and third...) :) (I am proud to say that I took many of them shooting for the first time.) This is all anecdotal, but there are enough cases that I think it is indicative of a trend.

On the other hand, I know of exactly no-one who has sold their last-or-only gun and gotten out of the sport/hobby.

All those guns sold in the panic sprees of Nov 08-Dec 09 and now again starting in Nov/Dec '12 and through the present are going somewhere. I'm sure a number of existing gun owners are buying "one more", but again (anecdotally) there are a ton of new members here with the typical newb questions (that is not a value judgement, just an observation).
 
Anytime I read stuff like that, I always remember this quote. "When tortured, numbers will confess to anything". On any survey, the truth is hidden in the internals.
 
Gun ownership is increasing, as borne out by the sales figures and the fact that existing guns rarely wear out. So the overall stock of guns has been dramatically going up year by year. What's decreasing is the willingness of people to admit to pollsters that they own guns. (I certainly wouldn't.) The mania to ban guns has had two effects: (1) the rush to buy guns before they are banned, and (2) the movement of large parts of the gun culture underground and away from prying eyes.

The experience in Europe has been that the stricter the gun laws, the greater the rate of noncompliance and the prevalence of illegal weapons.
 
If they did their survey outside of a Cabela's and not a fashion bug then maybe the responses they got would have been different. I have no doubt that firearm ownership is on the rise, try again commies. You can not find a semi-auto firearm on any shelves where I live unless they are charging 20 times what the gun is worth. I also don't see any trade ins(I like buying used guns that people have only shot once) and I can't find ammo either unless it is ridiculously matked up. I also can't find any reloading supplies, most of the guys I work with all say the same thing that I do,"I supplied myself before this happened but I wish I had more".

So somebody is buying everything up. Is it people that already own guns and are trying to make a fast buck? Some, yes. I was in Cabela's last week and three couples were buying their first guns, it was heartwarming. Two women and three guys that were on their own were buying their first guns too. I was looking at a few bolt actions in .308(I got rid of mine but I have like 2000 rounds that are just laying here looking for a good time) and we were all talking about how hard it is to find things. Oh I almost forgot, myself and two other guys were there looking to buy new firearms even though we already were gun owners. Gun ownership is not declining it is expanding, it always happens when you threaten a populace with a ban or confiscation PERIOD.
 
The relevant thing is that with so many fewer firearms owners currently than in the past that it makes sense that reloading components and ammo are sitting on the shelves collecting dust and priced BELOW 1970 levels. Simple! Guess I'll go out tomorrow morning and buy a few $5.00 bricks of .22 rimfire.
Nope. I checked three gun shops yesterday and no 22 shells. Even Wally World's shelves were bare. Must be the four gun owners in the U.S. are hoarding.
 
Considering how hard it's getting to be to find guns in stock, and the fact they're selling as fast as they can be made, I'd have to throw the BS flag on that theory.
 
There's a decline in people stupid enough to respond to strangers calling them on land lines asking how many firearms they have.

But the Dems are sure banking a lot on these stats being true. We'll see how viable they are at the mid-terms. All I know is SOMEONE has been buying up all the guns and ammo. And it's not me.
 
In a comparison of two surveys, one which asked "would you tell a stranger if you owned a gun" Over 50% said NO... and guess what, they (even though many 'fit the demographic') replied NO on gun ownership...

Most actually cravat that the questions on gun ownership are notoriously unreliable...
 
Of course it's true. There are only 2 or 3 of us buying all the AR's, ammo and reloading components on the shelves or in the production lines. I have several semi's pulling up daily to deliver all of my new stuff. Sorry for all the rest of you suckers, it's all mine....
MR
 
The General Social Survey GSS survey director is Tom Smith, a gun control supporter who in turn is supported financially by the Joyce Foundation which is known for gun control advocacy. He has long believed that presenting low and falling gun ownership is important to persuade politicians to pass more gun laws. For example, Smith's survey results are 20% lower than projections by John Zogby. (In the last elections, Zogby results polling samples of voters were within 2 points average of the races Zogby predicted so they know how to do accurate polls.)

"Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline", New York Times, 10 Mar 2013. Quote: "The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times. ... Measuring the level of gun ownership can be a vexing problem, with various recent national polls reporting rates between 35 percent and 52 percent. Responses can vary because the survey designs and the wording of questions differ." That is based on the GSS. And of course the NYT a consistent cheerleader for national gun control based on the NYC implementation of the 1911 Sullivan Act prefers the smaller number. Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, and another gun control promoter, backs GSS poll.

The 2012 GSS figure is 34% of American households. That is supposed to be interpreted as meaning gun control laws will work. Not really. It is supposed to tell politicians they can pass restrictive laws on legal gun ownership without the backlash of 1994, when the Democreats lost several races over the original Assault Weapons Ban.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highest-1993.aspx
Lydia Saad, "Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993", Gallup Politics, 26 Oct 2011. Quote: "Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period."

The Gallup polls on a gun in the home/elsewhere on property showed:
"Do you have a gun in your home? (If no: Do you have a gun anywhere on your property such as your garage, barn, shed, or in your car or truck?)"
1991 50%, 1994 54%, 1996 40%, 1997 45%, 1999 42%, 2001 41%, 2002 44%,
2003 45%, 2005 40%, 2006 42%, 2008 44%, 2009 43%, 2010 42%, 2011 41%,
2011 47%

I would explain the 1994 54% drop to 1996 40% as a reaction to the anti-gun rhetoric of the era of the first AWB, especially following the 1993 Waco Raid and the 1995-1996 Congressional Hearings on Waco, making 14% of the population afraid to report that they owned a gun.

Also in Oct 2011, support for a handgun ban on the Gallup Poll dropped to 26% the lowest level measured. In 1959 Gallup found 60% support for a national handgun ban. Since 1975, the majority of Americans polled opposed a handgun ban.
"Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?"
1959 60% Yes, 36% No, 4% Undecided
2011 26% Yes, 73% No, 1% Undecided

Personally, I don't have a high opinion of Tom Smith's gun stats: he is blinded by faith in gun control. Smith questioned Gary Kleck's National Self Defense Survey defensive gun use DGU findings by pointing out that women were 40% of the defensive gun users in the NSDS respondents, but only 20% of reported gun owners. If a DGU survey first asks, "Do you own a gun? (If no, skip; if yes, ask: Have you used a gun in defense?)", it gets a lower defensive gun use response than a DGU survey that asks "Have you used a gun in defense?" up front, because many people don't own a gun but live in a household with a gun owner and thus, have a weapon available for defense even if they do not own a gun. Similarly, Cook and Ludwig questioned the NSDS and NSPOF results because some defensive gun users later in the surveys denied owning a gun. Of four women known to me to have used guns in self-defense, two owned the gun they used, one used a gun that belonged to her employer, and one used a gun that belonged to her boyfriend. I find it believeable that 40% of the self-defenders are women.
 
Cosmoline said:
There's a decline in people stupid enough to respond to strangers calling them on land lines asking how many firearms they have.
This was my thought when I read the story in today's Austin American-Statesman newspaper.

Fewer people are responding to surveys of ANY sort, and fewer still are responding to nosy questions from strangers asking about about whether or not they own guns (especially in Chicago or NYC), go to church, use cash, or ANY thing that may give a potential thief an idea of a target's value. Fewer folks even answer all the questions on the Census long form - it's an invasion of privacy.

I call BS on the conclusions in the news story.
 
Just at this particular moment in American history, gun ownership is clearly in decline -- they are so unpopular that many of my local gun stores don't even seem to stock formerly popular models for some reason . . . :rolleyes:

Echo chamber journalism from the left. If I say it loudly enough that everyone agrees with me, maybe it will be true.
 
Global cooling or global warming? When they gonna make up their mind? If the left can't gain power and more of your money with one set of lies, they go to work on the next.
 
The Atlanta Journal Constitution carried the same story. And my thoughts when I read it were exactly like AlexanderA's:

Gun ownership is increasing, as borne out by the sales figures and the fact that existing guns rarely wear out. So the overall stock of guns has been dramatically going up year by year. What's decreasing is the willingness of people to admit to pollsters that they own guns.
 
Yup, that's quite true. I know more gun owners today who don't hunt, have never hunted, and have no desire to hunt ever than was true 20 years ago.

The only hunting I do is for a parking spot at Stater Brothers. The meat is cheaper and I don't have to get up early. :D

That poll is worthless.

^^^ This. They have obviously not tried to buy any ammo lately.
 
Of all the more plausible or even factual stories the Times put out, these others had to go with this obviously flawed story (since they are obviously unable to generate articles themselves in such a tiny paper as The Statesman).

And people say there's no motives behind journalism :rolleyes:

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