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Gun range snobs

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I guess I'm probably a range snob... I shoot benchrest, and I sort of insist that folks follow the safety rules, and also not damage stuff like target stands, the flag poles, etc., etc... Drives me nuts when someone goes out and plasters targets across 2-3 boards at 100, and then ends up shooting at an angle at them, which pretty much guarantees that they're going to be hitting really near the poles that hold the 200 or 300 yard target backers...
 
Being around saftey nazi's makes me feel like i'm being monitored and bossed around by anti-gun activists. They manage to take the fun out of everything. I'm one of the safest people around guns you'll meet and I can't stand them.
 
Least of my concerns...

Are gun snobs, I am more concerned about the novices, thugs, untrained and downright dangerous people that go to ranges and don't know what they are doing!

I have been swept numerous times by idiots that don't have proper gun handling procedure, been in lanes next to people that load and unload the gun they are using, not pointing downrange but either to the left or right in the lane they are in...In other words they are pointing directly at the person(s) in the next lane, guess they think that the cheesy partition separating lanes is some kind of protection between them and someone else...

Snobs are everywhere, I don't like snobs of any persuasion, whether it be guns, cars, motorcycles, airplanes, etc...Our culture has produced a lot of them because of the me first mentality...Because we value money so much some people feel they are elevated because they have money and the ones that have a lot generally think they should be telling the rest of us what to do...So they go into politics where they become ultimate snobs...

Any idiot can have money, it is kind of like any idiot can get drunk, it is all about character, some have it some don't...Best way to show up a gun snob is to shoot better than they do with a much inferior gun to theirs...That will knock em down a few pegs...
 
Nightcrawler- That's one of many reasons I won't go to Lee Kay anymore.

Pvtpyle, Where is the new location?

When I go to a range it's usually the Wasatch Gun Club by Fruit Heights, and I've had nothing but good experiences there.

Insisting that everyone follow the safety rules isn't being a snob. A range should have good controllers so that peers don't need to be the bad guys all the time.
 
Every time I go to the range with Owen he makes me feel inferior. But at least when that happens I know I'm learning something.
 
Amen!!!!!

Quote: mljdeckard: Insisting that everyone follow the safety rules isn't being a snob. A range should have good controllers so that peers don't need to be the bad guys all the time. End Quote...

There are a couple of ranges in the Detroit area where this is not the case...
 
I can't stand range Nazis but its one thing to be anal about stupid rules when there are 2 people on the range, and its another to gripe some one out for pointing a loaded gun at you or someone else.

I have chewed out (in a kind and loving manor) my fair share of idiots for sweeping the line, and been chewed out for it a time or two as well. But when someone starts griping at me because I am shooting an AK on the 100 yard range as fast as I can pull the trigger (the only fire control rule is no full-auto) and they can't seem to concentrate (I know some of you guys ONLY shoot to hit nickel size groups or whatever but I like to get out there and just feel the recoil sometimes), or I am the only one on the range and decide to move closer to the target even though its past the yellow line (note I said I was the only one) I ain't going to be happy and you will know about it.

-DR
 
Range Nazis and careless shooters are one thing. The real snobbishness is when they look/speak down at you and your eguipage.

I figure they just want recognition, admiration, warm fuzzies:

"Wow, that's impressive! Wish I could get one!"

(WARNING: You might then make a new friend and thereby move into the upper crust. Then you too may become a gun snob.;)
 
To clarify the post, Mmike87 has it right - while I took issue with the unfriendliness of the owners (they made it seem they were making an exception in allowing me to visit their public range), the actions of the 'safety Nazi's' on the range was what made me leave and not come back. I'm not sure what rules are in effect in the U.S., but it takes a lot to get a non-restricted permit up here, and safety is paramount. With me and a fellow shooter, we respect each other's boundaries and everything is done by the book.
On this particular trip to the range, it was just me on the furthest left shooting post at the 50-yard targets, and two older fellows on the furthest right post experimenting with a muzzle-loader. About 25 yards separated us. They yell clear to inspect the gi-nournous holes they made in the 100 yard targets and move to the front of their shooting station. My rifle, meanwhile, has the bolt open and is sitting on the sandbag rest. I pick it up by the stock to place it on the table next to me so it doesn't slide off the rest. They see this and start shouting and yelling, as if I had had a round chambered and the rifle at my shoulder. I just put my hands in the air and ofdfered a quick apology. For the rest of the time they treated my presence like a crazed gunman, and I'm sure would have liked for me to wait in my car while they went to get their targets. I don't know - was I in the wrong? This could have just been the doing of two people, but first impressions leave a big impression on me, and I didn't want to have to deal with this a second time.
 
Ithacalover, Don't acknowledge "Clear" until you've moved that rifle to it's final resting place if you don't want to leave it in the sand bags. You take control and say "NO". "Not Clear", until you have done so.

Yes, you were wrong. Any, and I mean any range I've ever been to, whether it's been the Range Officer, or a unmanned range where shooters police themselves, When a line is signaled 'Clear' or 'Make the line safe', Shooters/RO agree, that breaches are open, magazines out, chambers empty, guns safe on the bench or table, then at that point no one even touches a fire arm while shooters are down range.. Until the command 'Safe to fire' has been given once all on the line agree that there is nobody down range from the line. Private or Public ranges. Asking and granting to make the line safe, is a courtesy. I try to observe if a guy is done with his string and wants to go down range. I'll ask, and sometimes they'll say, "Hey, I can wait until you're done with your string". Other times I'm waiting. I make it known in a courtious way that I'd like to go down range when they're done with their next string of fire.


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Call me a snob then.. Well sorta. I think a shooter should have respect for the range and the target stands errected. Always know what's down range of your target. Isn't that what we're teaching the kids? Shouldn't we set the example? As for sweeping the line. No excuse. Always point your gun in a direction of something you're willing to shoot. (don't take that out of context)

There is a tactful means of asking the shooter that's shooting at 100yds, at an angle so his shots can hit the 200yd targes down range.. 'Excuse me sir, Are you aware of where your bullet is hitting after it goes through your target'? OUr club has dirt burms behind each of our targets. So this isn't a problem. I was a member of a club where the 200yd shooter actually shot over the 100yd shooter benches. (so if you shot 200, nobody could shoot 100 while you were) Yeah, weird.

I was recently griped at when my boys and I went to the range. We set up with .243's at the 100yd range. Another dad with his two youths were shooting rimfire at 75yds a few stations to our right. They said my boys hunting rifles were too loud! Then they moved to the 50yd outdoor pistol bay. But before doing so, as my eldest son was about to squeeze off another round, his family just started walking to their targets. Being observant, I stopped my son, both boys unloaded quickly to make the line safe. Then I proceded to read the riot act to this jerk.

Damn it! Guns can kill. er uh, the shooter can anyway. Observing safety rules and using a little bit of common sense can remove that possibility of accident.

If observing the rules of the range makes me a snob, then so-be-it. Wealth has nothing to do with it, other than I'd like to be able to live long enough to be more wealthy.

-Steve
 
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I belong to a rifle club so they have their own indoor and outdoor range. I haven't had any problems there. I also go to the public range after work sometimes and most people have been friendly there also. Most of the time at any of the ranges I go to people will let you try their guns if they have something you haven't shot before. I let them try my guns also.
Rusty
 
define "snob."

there are the long-gun guys who are out patterning or sighting in their $20,000+ custom engraved europooftaguns. and they look down at you for shooting your handgun or military semis ("ew, those things were only meant to kill people" - right pinky in the air.)

there are the 1911 snobs. "kimber? yuck. bow down to my $5,000 wilson combat."

ar snobs. "bushmaster? pooop. i am a higher life form than you are because i have an hk 416 upper on my customized baer lower."

then there are nfa snobs that i run into more often.

-"ew, you blew $$$ for a sear conversion? *** were you thinking? mine's a properly-done double-push-pin lower registered receiver job."

-"you know, gemtech makes a quieter can than your ratty brand ____ suppressor. you truly are a peasant"

-"get that crappy m-11 paperweight out of my face. my mp5 is offended."
 
Geez lots of people seem to have thin skin.

If someone calls me out for a safety violation, real or preceived, then I will stop whatever it is they don't like while they are there if I can. I would rather be overly careful at a range.

Sounds to me like it was just a case of misunderstanding. You should have gone down and asked them politely what the problem was and told them you would fix it and/or explain your side of the story. Then ask if they would let you put a "gi-nournous" hole in their target. :)

One of the best things about going to the range is talking with other shooters.

And if they did turn out to be a couple of old coots, why let them run you off from the range. Go back again, most likely they will not be there.
 
the only place I ever ran into a real "range snob" incident was at a Sporting-Clays shoot... (A charity event my chapter of the NWTF was hosting..., I am a committee member) a group of 4 guys all carrying HIGH-DOLLAR trap-guns... the cheapest being a $2000.00+ dollar ported semi-auto... I know this because he TOLD us all so!

As I signed them in for 5-stand, thae invited me to join them as the 5th shooter...

I grabbed my IGA Stoeger SXS CoachGun in 12 Ga... (I am reasonably good with it... and I like it...)

these 4 weren't even TRYING to hid their smirks, laughs, and snide comments...

SO, I proceeded to stomp them flat... as in 3 rounds of 5-stand... the first one I shot 22/25, and the best of them went 20/25...

Round 2, 23/25 for me, their best 18/25 (2 of them)

THEN the Coup-De-Grace - I got my first 25/25... and again, 2 of them made 18/25's...

All I said was "nice shooting, guys, but I wonder how much better I'd be with a gun 10 times more expensive? OH, that's right... 25 out of 25 is the best I can get... any of you wanna try my junk gun?

they weren't laughing when they walked away... (but 2 other shooters waiting in the crowd DID take me up on the offer to try the Stoeger!)
 
us. They yell clear to inspect the gi-nournous holes they made in the 100 yard targets and move to the front of their shooting station. My rifle, meanwhile, has the bolt open and is sitting on the sandbag rest. I pick it up by the stock to place it on the table next to me so it doesn't slide off the rest. They see this and start shouting and yelling, as if I had had a round chambered and the rifle at my shoulder. I just put my hands in the air and ofdfered a quick apology. For the rest of the time they treated my presence like a crazed gunman, and I'm sure would have liked for me to wait in my car while they went to get their targets. I don't know - was I in the wrong? This could have just been the doing of two people, but first impressions leave a big impression on me, and I didn't want to have to deal with this a second time.

In our range, we call out to make the line safe prior to anyone walking down..."ceasefire, make the line safe, magazine out, slides back, chamber flags visible...when ready, STEP BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE." Under no circumstance is anyone suppose to walk back to the bench to handle firearms. Yes, people do get yelled at for that infraction.
 
Well, I guess I was in the wrong. I'm man enought to admit defeat. But keep in mind I live in a land where all handguns are either restricted or prohibited, and semi-auto firearms must have a magazine capacity of 5 rounds or less. Also, to transport those guns, the government has to be notified that you are transporting the weapon to a range, and you are not permitted to make any stops on the way there or back. I guess as a result of all these regulations that aim to protect Canadians from Canadians people end up take safety and regulations more seriously than other places.
Later that afternoon another gent set up next to me with a nice Charlevois flintlock and we talked each other's ears off. He mentioned to me that he wanted to be as far away as the other guys as possible, as he has had to endure their precence before.
 
it was their fault

they failed to read you mind and dicern that you only wanted to move the gun so it wouldn't slip. if they were up to speed they woulda known and not hurt your feelings. i'm fussy about folks with guns not everybody is safe and i've seen too stupid gun tricks one crippled a guy another killed my dog and almost cost my best friend his teeth. or worse. i was drunk when he shot my dog by "mistake"
 
I've only ever been to 1 "official" range and had no problems.

I have the good luck of knowing farmers & co-workers that like to shoot, boy do they like to shoot, anything and everything from black powder to .50 cal...

Last time I went out I was handed a Taurus Raging bull and told to give it a spin, I was complimented on my used sub $300 pistol and they wanted to know where to pick one up...

So I can't really relate on gun snobs...
 
There are snobs in every hobby. The worst by far are the car guys. When Im out with my friend and his Subaru, he loves to play the "who has more horsepower game" with the Corvette snobs. They get really mad when the get crushed at the track by a Japanese 4 cylinder.

I remember one day at the range when some guy thought his Tikka topped with a high powered scope, I think it was a Swarovski, was light years ahead of my Savage. Everyone knows a 500 dollar rifle cant shoot under an inch. I didnt beat him, but our groups were the same size.

Then there was the time that I out shot a pistol snob with his HK Mark 23 using my old G23. To be fair though, that guy was a pretty bad shot. I probably could have out shot him with my Walther P22.
 
Perception, ah that word, clouds everyone's point of view.

Safety is everyone's job. We have to police ourselves. We have old salts to flat out noob's amongst our ranks. We, males, are a proud lot, and some are afraid to ask for help. Help can be defined in many ways. Range rules exist to address the spectrum of shooters. In order to keep our sport safe we have to obey the rules of organized ranges we frequent. Making excuses like "I was the only one there" or other such justifications makes no sense. I bet not too many Noob's or old salt's have thought much about the worst thing that could happen at the range? A self inflicted GSW because of "I was the only one there" line of thinking or something simple like a pierced primer could cause a debilitating injury to a shooter... Come on guys.....

Now, if you mean the snobs that go "mine is better then yours because the price tag" well that will always happen. Just do not engage in the conversations! Walk away with a smile and nod!
 
I agree with many others here. There are snobs in all hobbies and interests. I ride a Honda motorcycle and have to listen to guys bragging about their paint shakers (Harleys). Now, you see I am a working class poor man so I ride what I can afford, I didn't choose my bike for a status symbol.

Numismatists are the same. I have been an active numismatist in the past (not as much lately) and have attended coin shows where many of the collectors feel that ifr you don't collect strictly gold or silver coins you are not a true numismatist.

So I guess the snobs are everywhere!
 
I have never had experience with a "gun snob" I guess. I just shoot rifles and pistols though. I am a member of a range that is self policed now and I have never had an issue. Most everyone is real good about keep away from the bench and hands off during cease fires. My range has Red lights overhead that get turned on once everyone agrees to a cease fire. Everyone I have shot with at the range is real good about asking everyone before turning on the light and then patiently waiting for everyone to finish messing with targets.

At least every other time I go shooting I end up talking with people. My Dad joined me last month to shoot our Garands and we ended up talking to other almost half the time out there. Everyone was friendly.

I can understand the anger about some of the comments, but shooting nice tight groups will shut most people up.
 
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