So a few days ago my wife got pulled over for speeding in a school zone. Entirely her fault and she knows it. What bothers me is that the tickets have changed. Even though you submit your license, and registration and proof of insurance, the officer still asks about pretty much your life story. They now ask, city of birth, Social Security Number, and a whole bunch of other information irrelevant to a speeding ticket. My wife was pretty adament about not giving all the information because whatever the cop needs to know, they can pull up from the computer in their car. Which the officer verified he did. What bothers me though, is that he stated that it even told him she had a pistol purchase, but when my wife shot him a wierd look after he said that he shut up about it and said nevermind. That tells me that Colorado is actually unofficially registering firearms when you purchase them, without telling the public. Now the additional questions I blew off as tickets requiring that info just to make sure that the right person was getting ticketed, however, I don't find it so easy to swallow that cops have my family's firearm information at the touch of their fingers and nobody knows it. Thoughts anyone?
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Does she have a concealed carry license?
Maybe he asked her if she had a pistol permit and she misunderstood?
she nor I have a concealed carry permit at this time, otherwise she would have been required to give it to the officer when she gave him her license and such. As a caveat to that though, here in Colorado, your car is considered an extension of your home and thus you are allowed to carry a concealed firearm in your car.
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I purchased a pistol recently while my CPP was expired, the weekend before I had it renewed. Since I had to get the standard background check and waiting period, the local police were notified about my purchase, to the extent that I was purchasing a handgun which required a background check. There was a "delay" that came at the local level so I had to straighten it out with the county sheriff. Turned out to be mistaken identity.
I wouldn't doubt the local police have some sort of a kept record of who's bought what, and when, as the background checks come across their desks when the purchaser has no CPP.
but I would be very surprised, and more than a little upset, if there were records being kept of serial numbers tying individual guns to their owners.
I wouldn't doubt the local police have some sort of a kept record of who's bought what, and when, as the background checks come across their desks when the purchaser has no CPP.
but I would be very surprised, and more than a little upset, if there were records being kept of serial numbers tying individual guns to their owners.
Steel Horse Rider
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I am going to the Larimer County Republican County Assembly meeting tomorrow. I am sure the Sheriff will be there so I will ask him if law enforcement has access to the record of background checks. If they do I will light up my State Senator and Representative who will also be there.
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CoRoMo
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No such thing in Colorado.
Incorrect. Colorado is not a 'notification required' state: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf
That is not a requirement in Colorado AFAIK.
Law enforcement is not supposed to have a database of gun owners or CCW holders in Colorado.
Thanks for the correction to my knowledge on CCP notification info, and Steel Rider, I would much appreciate it if you would verify with your sherriff.
As to whether my wife has purchased firearms the answer is yes. However it didn't seem like he was fishing as he made his statement flippantly and then tried to shut up about it as soon as he mentioned it. And my wife says that his exact words were, "yeah, it even tells me you bought a pistol...nevermind" Now I can understand the system telling him that she has purchased firearms but he said pistol specifically which means that the system either tracks rifles, shotguns and pistols, or it tracks by make and model the latter I am not Ok with at all
As to whether my wife has purchased firearms the answer is yes. However it didn't seem like he was fishing as he made his statement flippantly and then tried to shut up about it as soon as he mentioned it. And my wife says that his exact words were, "yeah, it even tells me you bought a pistol...nevermind" Now I can understand the system telling him that she has purchased firearms but he said pistol specifically which means that the system either tracks rifles, shotguns and pistols, or it tracks by make and model the latter I am not Ok with at all
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I meant for a concealed carry weapon, sorry I wasn't more clear.
Are you sure?
When I was a much, much younger man I was told by a policeman that I had to give him the names of individuals involved in a minor victimless crime, or he would report me to <State> Renters Association and I would never able to rent an apartment again. I told him I didn't have the information he was seeking, but that I would be ready to appeal his action with that association. After the encounter, I looked it up. Turned out the organization he mentioned didn't exist. Sometimes policeman and other authority figures will say things in order gather information, or just to exert their power for the pure joy of it.
Now, by your logic my encounter should have told me that the police officers in that state had the ability to kick people out of their homes and deny them future status as renters without any due process. That would be wrong, and my point is that police are human, and humans aren't always 100% honest.
(LOL) You have to be kidding, of course there is, what do you think the 4473 is for??
It is required to be kept 10 years by the FFL. Each manufacturer is required to log to what distributor their guns are shipped to and each distributor must keep records of which store it was sold to. AND each store MUST keep a record of whom it was sold to.
I would not be supprised to find out that the NICS check keeps a record of the serial number and your social security number as well. I don't have a problem with that, it's been going on for years now.
The real problem is that criminals do not go through a NICS check when they purchase guns on the street illegally. I also believe there is a national registry of stolen guns as well.
Let's get real folks, this is nothing new.
Jim
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We are told that by law the background check information is to be destroyed in 72 hours if I remember correctly. You don't have a problem with those who are tasked to enforce the law being in violation of the law? I have a real problem with that! The Magna Charta was passed by the British many centuries ago in order to prevent the leaders from having tyranical privileges.
No actually I don't. I believe that every law enforcement officer has the right to know when they stop a car if thier life is in danger of being shot. When they answer a domestic disturbance call, if the home owner is armed. When they pull you over for drinking and driving that you are not armed. When you are having a fight with your neighbor that you are not going into your house to get a gun. That when they respond to a 911 call that they will not be shot by the homeowner mistakenly.
So no I have no problem with them knowing I am one of the good guys and not a bad guy carring a gun just to look tough.
I have been registered with the Illinois State Police as a firearms owner for over 30 years, so what's YOUR point, you think they don't know??
Jim
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Cranky CJ
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What town or city was this, so I know not to go there or do any business there?
Not appropriate, complain- loudly.
Not appropriate, complain- loudly.
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He's talking about a record kept by the government and available to the officer during a stop. As you seem aware the 4473 stays with the ffl.
I would considering the serial number is NOT part of the NICS check
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As you pointed out earlier, criminals don't go through official channels so such a list will NOT tell the officer if their life is in danger or not.
If you really don't have a problem withem keeping a list that they are forbidden by law from keeping then you've been living in IL way too long.
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The federal. NICS records cannot be held for more than 24 hours. However, I don't know if the same limitation applies to the CBI background Check.
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I would like to see the stats for the number of officers shot with legitimate registered guns and gunowners...I'd bet it's nill
This is how this crap spreads. People get used to it, and become de-senstized (indoctrinated), then they want to force everyone else to become brainwashed. No thanks. Keep your gun registers, and gun licenses in IL.
NOBODY is above the law. Not Law Enforcement, not politicians. We are having a breakdown in society due to this path. Police typically do not have to fear those that legally obtain and legally carry guns. It is the criminal that does not care, nore go through proper, legal means to get a firearm. Focus on them, not the law abiding populace they want so much to control.
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I was referring to the state keeping and diseminating information it is not supposed to have, not the officers off hand remark. The officer is a small fish, the State of Colorado bureaucracy is a threat.
Jim: The Magna Charta applied the same laws to the leadership that was applied to the commoners. An insurrection (which is what our revolution was) does not fall under the intent of the Magna Charta. However, laws clearly stating procedures to be followed should apply to the rulers and the citizens equally, not an Orwellian "Some are more equal than others".
Jim: The Magna Charta applied the same laws to the leadership that was applied to the commoners. An insurrection (which is what our revolution was) does not fall under the intent of the Magna Charta. However, laws clearly stating procedures to be followed should apply to the rulers and the citizens equally, not an Orwellian "Some are more equal than others".
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Obviously, you never were a cop. A switched on officer assumes everyone he comes in contact with is armed until proven otherwise.
Cops that don't think that way are a danger to themselves and others.
Police are permitted to lie to you as much as they want. You are NOT permitted to lie to them. You are permitted to not talk to them. Everything they need is in the documentation that you provide.
I, personally, would tell them only the information in the documents that I am required to submit to them. Anything else (destination, origin, place of birth) would be off limits. If I had a gun in the car and they asked about a gun, I would tell them a gun was in the car. If I had a gun at home and they asked about a gun, I would tell them that there is no gun in the car.
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