Gun Rights are Civil Rights

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I dream of a day when the question of gun rights will not be questioned - carry will be allowed in all 51 states (we may have annexed Canada by then), The MG registry will be reopened, and anti-gun bills will not even be entertained. There once was a day when racial civil rights were heavily questioned people like Bull Connor stood up for what he believed in and turned the fire hoses on racial civil rights workers and demonstrators. Today we look at that and are agast that it happened and not legislator would entertain a bill to introduce segregation.

Momentum is on our side, and I dream of a day when America looks at the actions of the anti-gunners today and are agast. So my thought is this- Is this a fair analogy to make? Who is/are our 'Bull Connor(s)'? Other thoughts?
 
It seems a fair enough analogy to me. Anti-gunners are distrustful of gun owners and think they have the right to deny our rights. One analogy I hear/read often is comparing anti-gunners to the nazis.
 
Until the uneducated namby pamby, people learn the equate the 2nd amendment as being equal to the 1st and ALL the rest of the amendments will we be truly free of all hate and prejudice.
 
Ever notice that there are no federal laws restricting speech and religion? That is because it would be unconstitutional, yet there is a federal agency that restricts private ownership of firearms.
 
This is exactly what Alan Gura and the SAF are doing in their lawsuits against MD,NY,NJ, and NC. Peruta in CA will help this. By defining the 2A is an enumerated right the court must use strict scrutiny level of examination. This is being treated as a civil rights issue just like the 60's. As soon as one of these cases is won, the walls will come down fairly quickly. We are going to win one, and that's all it takes.
 
I make the point every time I can. Someone once said I was wearing Levis. I said, "I wear Wranglers. Levis has a bad civil rights record." And then explained they give money to organizations that want to restrict the Bill of Rights.
 
Most gun laws are prejudice.

Most gun laws are prejudice in that they pre-judge gun owners as potential criminals bases simply on the POTENTIAL for crime. This works on the exact same premise as racism. Take American Muslims for example. There are about a million Muslims in this country and the vast majority are not terrorists or supporters of terrorism. Most of them are not affiliated in any way with the radical Taliban though there have been a handful of exceptions, usually nut cases like that psychiatrist that snapped at Fort Hood.

Should it be illegal to be a Muslim? Should ALL Muslims be rounded up and arrested as potential terrorists? What about people that look like Muslims or have Arabic sounding names? Should they all be charged with a crime because of what they MIGHT do?

No you say? Well this is EXACTLY how gun laws work. They presuppose criminal behavior based on potential for action rather than criminal action itself. Gun laws are based on stereotyping and collective blame just like all forms of racism.
 
Most gun laws are prejudice in that they pre-judge gun owners as potential criminals bases simply on the POTENTIAL for crime. This works on the exact same premise as racism. Take American Muslims for example. There are about a million Muslims in this country and the vast majority are not terrorists or supporters of terrorism. Most of them are not affiliated in any way with the radical Taliban though there have been a handful of exceptions, usually nut cases like that psychiatrist that snapped at Fort Hood.

Should it be illegal to be a Muslim? Should ALL Muslims be rounded up and arrested as potential terrorists? What about people that look like Muslims or have Arabic sounding names? Should they all be charged with a crime because of what they MIGHT do?

No you say? Well this is EXACTLY how gun laws work. They presuppose criminal behavior based on potential for action rather than criminal action itself. Gun laws are based on stereotyping and collective blame just like all forms of racism.
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Pretty spot-on there.
 
Owen Sparks said:
Most gun laws are prejudice in that they pre-judge gun owners as potential criminals bases simply on the POTENTIAL for crime. This works on the exact same premise as racism. Take American Muslims for example. There are about a million Muslims in this country and the vast majority are not terrorists or supporters of terrorism. Most of them are not affiliated in any way with the radical Taliban though there have been a handful of exceptions, usually nut cases like that psychiatrist that snapped at Fort Hood.

Should it be illegal to be a Muslim? Should ALL Muslims be rounded up and arrested as potential terrorists? What about people that look like Muslims or have Arabic sounding names? Should they all be charged with a crime because of what they MIGHT do?

No you say? Well this is EXACTLY how gun laws work. They presuppose criminal behavior based on potential for action rather than criminal action itself. Gun laws are based on stereotyping and collective blame just like all forms of racism.
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Extremely good example Owen.
 
If my history serves me correctly, gun control laws were enacted as a form of elitism. They were a method to try to deny certain classes of people from owning firearms, mostly black people.

Shawn
 
They were a method to try to deny certain classes of people from owning firearms, mostly black people.
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And Jews, Gypsys, Russians, Okinawans, Californians...
 
I'm not yet convinced we have gun rights.

We have a constitution that affirms our RKBA, we have Heller and subsequent incorporation, but it still feels more like a privilege we enjoy at the whim of the ruling class.
 
I say you're right, as any right a citizen has it a "civil right". However, I think comparing it to the struggle by blacks for equality is not really fair, and is more than a little ridiculous. That was about their worth as people, and the ability to be treated as well as other non-colored people, as they were called at the time.

We do fight for rights granted to us by the constitution and systematically denied by government. But I wouldn't try to draw constructive comparisons.
 
"I have a dream that one day little black children and little white children will be judged, not on the caliber and appearance of their firearms, but on the moa of their respective paper targets." ~ dammitism
 
I say you're right, as any right a citizen has it a "civil right". However, I think comparing it to the struggle by blacks for equality is not really fair, and is more than a little ridiculous. That was about their worth as people, and the ability to be treated as well as other non-colored people, as they were called at the time.
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The roots of gun control were racist. That was one reason the P & I clause in the XIV amendment was written. Southerners at that time were afraid what would happen if freedmen were armed. hence gun control
 
The roots of gun control were racist. That was one reason the P & I clause in the XIV amendment was written. Southerners at that time were afraid what would happen if freedmen were armed. hence gun control
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Correct. The original purpose of gun control was to protect the Ku Klux Klan.
 
"I have a dream that one day little black children and little white children will be judged, not on the caliber and appearance of their firearms, but on the moa of their respective paper targets." ~ dammitism
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Nice
 
As long as polititians can have "we" and "us" verse "THEM"...what group "we" belongs to; or who "THEM" is, is not relavent, only that there is a "THEM" that the fear of the "possible" may be propagandized against. It is the oldest political play to control a people on the books.

Consider WWII: US Citizens of German decent numbered almost 1/2 the US population at the time of WWII and could not, at a glance, be recognized as a "them". US Citizens of Japenese decent constituted less than 10% of the US population, but it is easy to recognize the average person of Japenese decent...Who went to the internment camps because they "might" help the enemy?
 
The roots of gun control were racist. That was one reason the P & I clause in the XIV amendment was written. Southerners at that time were afraid what would happen if freedmen were armed. hence gun control
Correct. The original purpose of gun control was to protect the Ku Klux Klan.
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Wow, so the gun control efforts by the English during the revolution, or by Louis during the French revolution were due to an organization that wouldn't exist for about 80 years??? Really now..............

Gun control is about keeping the majority of folks (poor) from being able to overwhelm the minority of folks (rich) who had the means, motive, and power in their control at the time - it was (is) a class struggle, not a racial one
 
The origins of weapon control have been around since before guns. I agree it is/was largely a class-based struggle, but it has been racially motivated at times.

Either way, I say there's no need to compare apples and oranges, there's enough compelling evidence without resorting to an approach that isn't intellectually honest.
 
Wow, so the gun control efforts by the English during the revolution, or by Louis during the French revolution were due to an organization that wouldn't exist for about 80 years??? Really now..............
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Wow -- we kicked the English out and the French live in . . . France!
 
Wow -- we kicked the English out and the French live in . . . France!
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Your point is, what? You failed history/civics? - the point was that gun control was instituted BEFORE the racial overtones of the Civil War, that these rights are granted by government, not by anyone else, and these rights have been encroached upon by government since the dawn of civilization
 
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