'Gun Show Loophole' Compromise Is Rejected

[gunsmith]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1/28/AR2008012802842.html?sid=ST2008012803005
'Gun Show Loophole' Compromise Is Rejected
Tuesday, January 29, 2008; Page B05

A state senator who represents the district that includes Virginia Tech tried unsuccessfully to reopen debate yesterday on closing the "gun show loophole." Sen. John S. Edwards (D-Roanoke) voted against a bill last week that would have required most sellers at gun shows to conduct background checks on buyers. The legislation had been endorsed by families of victims of last year's Virginia Tech massacre but opposed by gun rights advocates. Currently, only licensed dealers must conduct background checks.

Although the legislation was effectively dead, Edwards proposed a compromise that would have made background checks voluntary for unlicensed sellers. But it was rejected by Democrats and Republicans on the committee.

"I think this is a middle ground," he said after the committee adjourned. "A lot of people would like to do something. Problem is, no one is trying to find a middle ground."

Edwards said he will continue to push the compromise, perhaps by attaching it to another bill.

 

[Standing Wolf]

"I think this is a middle ground," he said after the committee adjourned. "A lot of people would like to do something. Problem is, no one is trying to find a middle ground."

The only so-called "middle ground" leftist extremists have in mind is the unconditional surrender of America's civil rights.

 

[rdhood]

First... I am NOT in support of this. But secondly... it leaves a lot of questons:


would the seller/buyer have to PAY to do a background check (this amounts to a tax to transfer any gun... probably unconstitutional)
would the buyer have to fill out a 4473?
would the seller have to keep all 4473's the way an FFL does?
would the seller be subject to inspections by the BATFE the way an FFL is?

you get my drift. There is NO middle ground here... just heaping piles of Bul... er... paperwork and redtape.

 

[Working Man]

The legislation had been endorsed by families of victims of last year's Virginia Tech

And how exactly would that have changed things?

It sickens me when these types of events are used as tools for the agenda.
In no way would such a bill affect what happened. It is simply non-applicable.

 

[Conqueror]

The word "loophole" has to be one of the most asinine inventions yet. It implies that people who use it are doing something wrong when they are in fact fully complying with every provision of the law in question.

If you passed a law that no cars could come with fog lamps, would you expect Ford to stop making cars altogether? Of course not, you'd expect them to make cars with no fog lamps but every other feature intact. No one would call this "The Spare Tire Loophole", but they talk about loopholes in the AWB and at gun shows constantly.

 

[armoredman]

Compromise gets you closer to thier side, not vice versa.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Edwards is going to make it as bad as California where we have to take everything to a dealer. I'm glad he's in third place.

 

[Old Fuff]

Again, gun owners should point out to both the media and legislators that:

Federal law will not permit individual sellers to make background checks. Making background checks is restricted to licenced dealers, and no one else - including law enforcement officers.

No state or local government can madate that individual gun sellers must first have the buyer's background checked when the federal government won't allow it.

As 4V50 Gary pointed out, the anti's game plan is to first make all gun show sales go through a licenced dealer and the #4473 process, and then eventually all private sales - as is required now in California.

The anti's cannot successfully impose their dream of total control over firearm ownership until they have a paper trail showing where all (or most of) the guns are.

 

[Spot77]

The word "loophole" has to be one of the most asinine inventions yet. It implies that people who use it are doing something wrong when they are in fact fully complying with every provision of the law in question.

Actually, the way the anti's have been able to get the word, "loophole" accepted as gospel is absolutely brilliant.

Our problem is that we're too honest and ethical to resort to dirty tricks and spins on the English language.

 

[buzz_knox]

Edwards is going to make it as bad as California where we have to take everything to a dealer. I'm glad he's in third place.

Obama wants to ban most everything, which would be far worse than California. And he's nearly the frontrunner.

 

[jerkface11]

If they pass this can I start pulling peoples applications at work and running background checks on them? Oh and how many Democrats named John Edwards are there anyway? Shouldn't there be a limit or something?

 

[MakAttak]

If they pass this can I start pulling peoples applications at work and running background checks on them? Oh and how many Democrats named John Edwards are there anyway? Shouldn't there be a limit or something?

No there shouldn't be a limit, we should just ban the creation of any more John Edwards with such dangerous features.

 

[Sage of Seattle]

No there shouldn't be a limit, we should just ban the creation of any more John Edwards with such dangerous features.

Hahaha! Yes, let's all work towards closing the "assaults our intelligence loophole"!

 

[skidmark]

Edwards is going to make it as bad as California where we have to take everything to a dealer. I'm glad he's in third place.

Obama wants to ban most everything, which would be far worse than California. And he's nearly the frontrunner.

Sen. John S. Edwards (D-Roanoke)

John Edwards is the Virginia State Senator who represents the Roanoke, Virginia area. He is NOT the US Senator John Edwards that is trying to get nominated for POTUS.

Please try tyo keep the jackasses straight. It gets soooo confusing when various jerks share the same idiot tendencies that I sometimes get mixed up about which one I am annoyed by for which reason.

Thaks for your help.

stay safe.

skidmark

 

[buzz_knox]

Please try tyo keep the jackasses straight. It gets soooo confusing when various jerks share the same idiot tendencies that I sometimes get mixed up about which one I am annoyed by for which reason.

Oh, I figured out they were different. I just thought the point needed repeating and the coincidence provided a prime opportunity.

 

[rcmodel]

Edwards proposed a compromise that would have made background checks voluntary for unlicensed sellers.

Say what?
It's already voluntary on private sales if you want to do it.
Just go ask a FFL dealer to run the check for you and pay the man his fee!

It's always been that way.


rcmodel

 

[RP88]

there is no such thing as middle ground. It's either all or most of one side in most cases.

 

[El Tejon]

Before 1998 all private sales of pistols in Indiana had to be conducted through a dealer. The law was rarely followed and a complete and utter disaster.

The law was such a failure that the police brass said nothing when this provision was abolished.

I do not see how Viriginia would be any different.

 

[NeoSpud]

No there shouldn't be a limit, we should just ban the creation of any more John Edwards with such dangerous features.

Especially if he has the shoulder thing that goes up.

 

[fletcher]

Edwards proposed a compromise that would have made background checks voluntary for unlicensed sellers.

Voluntary? Like obeying the law?

 

[Just Jim]

Well, thanks to the help of John McCain we in Oregun have no gunshow loophole. You now have to pay the state a fee to sell your gun at a gunshow and do a background check. The fee goes up year after year. The form you fill out is for your personal record.

You don't want this in your state as it has nearly ruined the gun show.

jj

 

[FreshTapCoke]

The word "loophole" has to be one of the most asinine inventions yet. It implies that people who use it are doing something wrong when they are in fact fully complying with every provision of the law in question.

Tell me about it. When the gun owners in California figured out how to comply with the law yet still purchase AR-15 rifles, everyone, even other gun owners, continually badgered us for breaking the law with this loop-hole.

 

[El Tejon]

How did John McCain vote in the Oregon legislature?

 

[ZeSpectre]

overheard conversation between a pro and an anti at "lobby day" while "discussing" the "gun show loophole".

Look, I don't know why you are so angry with me, we both have the same goal which is making our lives safer. It's just that I choose to take personal responsibility for my safety and you want to take it all and hand it to some third party hired police force so you don't have to worry about it. I have no problem with you creating (police) jobs but I just don't see why you think I must be required to play along.

I thought the anti was going to implode because they weren't interested in compromise, just in forcing everyone to obey their rules and beliefs.

 

[El Tejon]

The true man of the Left does not care what you do as long as it is compulsory.