Nate1778
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SuperNaut said:
Ohhh that's funny right there........
Man I hope that doesn't happen to Internet forums one day.........
Gun Store Kick-Out
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Ohhh that's funny right there........
Man I hope that doesn't happen to Internet forums one day.........
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Some people are just arrogant jackarses. Whaddryagonnado?
General Geoff
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Being a professional does not necessarily mean you're competent.
doc540
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"A know-it-all behind the counter at a gun store? Say it ain't so!"
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NavyLCDR
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I was at a store a couple days ago. A guy was in there asking about shipping a rifle to himself in another state. The guy behind the counter told him it had to go FFL to FFL because it was going out of state.
The guy was wanting to ship to HIMSELF!
Then it turned out the guy was wanting to ship to himself out of country, so at that point I didn't bother to correct the guy behind the counter, especially since my purchase was in the middle of being made.
The guy was wanting to ship to HIMSELF!
Then it turned out the guy was wanting to ship to himself out of country, so at that point I didn't bother to correct the guy behind the counter, especially since my purchase was in the middle of being made.
Corporal K
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The guy behind the counter told him it had to go FFL to FFL because it was going out of state.
The guy was wanting to ship to HIMSELF!
That's accurate. I had to do the same to ship a 1911 from Louisiana to myself in Colorado.
The guy was wanting to ship to HIMSELF!
That's accurate. I had to do the same to ship a 1911 from Louisiana to myself in Colorado.
Deltaboy1984
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Numnuts are a dime a dozen just walk out and buy some where else. Free advice: as already stated keep your business to yourself and don't share it in a strange gun shop or any where else.
NavyLCDR
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Coporal K said:
Geez, I hate posting ATF's FAQs but it's the easiest thing to do in this case.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b9
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
Any Comments? You had to ship the 1911 to yourself in another state utilizing FFLs because of the ignorance of the people you were dealing with, not because of requirements of law.
Corporal K said:
No, shipping to oneself in another state, such as going on a hunting trip, etc, doesn't have to go FFL to FFL. I don't have the sites to back this up, I am sure others can do so, I think there is even a post in the library here on THR about shipping guns.
OOPs, I guess Navy LT was faster on the draw than I was.
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CoRoMo
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You'd be surprised at the lack of knowledge that many dealers have. On more than one occasion, I've had to urge dealers conduct a transfer within the legal lines, when they preferred that I simply break the law because, "Nobody will know".
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@PumpAction
Yes sir, most definitely. In the real world, you might complicate things for yourself, as in the OP's situation, if you seek/distribute this information in person.
Your alternative is to come here, read this story, and have no bad feelings about it.
It sucks doing it this way, but it beats being constantly reminded how detached from the "average person" I've become.
Sometimes I think, maybe the worst thing I could have done was try to answer my own questions that no one else could, but should have been able to IMO. Then I could run around blissfully retarded like everyone else, and not care that the job I'm at sucks, because to me, it would be like rocket science to operate the touchscreen displays at a pizza parlor or mcdonalds. Granted, rocket science isn't that spectacular, but I wouldn't know that! Rocket science would be the top of the line science IMO, if I was average.
and maybe I'd be happy with watching TV, too. Maybe I'd even find propaganda pieces inspirational and motivating.
But no, that didn't happen.
Yes sir, most definitely. In the real world, you might complicate things for yourself, as in the OP's situation, if you seek/distribute this information in person.
Your alternative is to come here, read this story, and have no bad feelings about it.
It sucks doing it this way, but it beats being constantly reminded how detached from the "average person" I've become.
Sometimes I think, maybe the worst thing I could have done was try to answer my own questions that no one else could, but should have been able to IMO. Then I could run around blissfully retarded like everyone else, and not care that the job I'm at sucks, because to me, it would be like rocket science to operate the touchscreen displays at a pizza parlor or mcdonalds. Granted, rocket science isn't that spectacular, but I wouldn't know that! Rocket science would be the top of the line science IMO, if I was average.
and maybe I'd be happy with watching TV, too. Maybe I'd even find propaganda pieces inspirational and motivating.
But no, that didn't happen.
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Killermonkey21,
Sounds like you had all the correct information and the store clerk didn't.
If you want to help him correct his incorrect information you may send copies of both the federal and state law to the store with a "customer service" note.
That's about the only way that errors like this get corrected.
Sounds like you had all the correct information and the store clerk didn't.
If you want to help him correct his incorrect information you may send copies of both the federal and state law to the store with a "customer service" note.
That's about the only way that errors like this get corrected.
Yes! Check out their reviews on Yelp or somewhere else. I have only been in once, and didn't buy anything. Something about them made me uncomfortable, can't say what. I feel bad buying from Cabela's all the time instead of a local store, but it's just an easier experience. I don't like Sportsman's all that much, because it's such a zoo, and you have to ask to see every handgun, as they keep them about 10 feet away and the price tags are impossible to read with my eyes.loneviking said:
ArfinGreebly
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If you get over to Carson City, also check out The Gun Exchange on North Carson Street.
Say "hi" to Chet and Mike.
Couple of curmudgeons, but good folks, decent prices. Mike is also a CCW instructor.
BTW, while I was living in Carson City, I wanted to gift a pistol to my son who was, at that time, turning 20. After researching the laws regarding ownership, I went ahead with the purchase, and he found it under the tree on Xmas Day.
Of course, I also had to take the time to brief him on proper transport to and from the range, safety, and all that jazz.
Your understanding is correct: legal to possess at 18, buy from FFL at 21, and CCW (in Nevada) at 21.
As usual, you have to pay attention to the local laws as well as the Federal stuff.
If you get over to Carson City, also check out The Gun Exchange on North Carson Street.
Say "hi" to Chet and Mike.
Couple of curmudgeons, but good folks, decent prices. Mike is also a CCW instructor.
BTW, while I was living in Carson City, I wanted to gift a pistol to my son who was, at that time, turning 20. After researching the laws regarding ownership, I went ahead with the purchase, and he found it under the tree on Xmas Day.
Of course, I also had to take the time to brief him on proper transport to and from the range, safety, and all that jazz.
Your understanding is correct: legal to possess at 18, buy from FFL at 21, and CCW (in Nevada) at 21.
As usual, you have to pay attention to the local laws as well as the Federal stuff.
lobo9er
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i cant say that did or didn't happen but i can see it though its not usually the store owner its one of his friends that "work" there i mean hang out there that can sometimes be the pain in the neck
lobo9er
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an in edition i was a lil older than 21 when i got started going to gun shows and shops sporting a mohawk and a bull ring i got grief here and there, and here and there gun dealers missed out on my green
Savage Shooter
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So does the guy behind the counter a wal-mart.
I don't know how you got out of there without decking the jerk!
right there is where I would have responded "ya and and you can't fix stupid"
ezypikns
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Federal Law may forbid purchases....
by anyone less than 21 years old, but in Texas, someone serving in the military (active, guard, or reserve), or a veteran under 21 can get a CHL (CCW) legally.
by anyone less than 21 years old, but in Texas, someone serving in the military (active, guard, or reserve), or a veteran under 21 can get a CHL (CCW) legally.
There is a general ignorance on this subject. Most folks here in Ohio think that someone under 21 can't buy a handgun.
For example, at a gun show recently, a young guy was toting a rifle for sale. I asked him if he might be interested in a trade for one of my pistols.
Oh no, he said, I'm not 21 yet so I can't buy a handgun. I tried to explain that he indeed could in a private sale, but to no avail.
He probably thought I was just another bearded old fart who wanted to make some money at the expense of his young self.:banghead:
For example, at a gun show recently, a young guy was toting a rifle for sale. I asked him if he might be interested in a trade for one of my pistols.
Oh no, he said, I'm not 21 yet so I can't buy a handgun. I tried to explain that he indeed could in a private sale, but to no avail.
He probably thought I was just another bearded old fart who wanted to make some money at the expense of his young self.:banghead:
jhco
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You may be right about the laws in your state but it might be different in nevada.
NavyLCDR
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In Ohio it IS ILLEGAL to furnish a person <21 years of age with a handgun!
2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.
(A) No person shall do any of the following:
(1) Sell any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(2) Subject to division (B) of this section, sell any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;
(3) Furnish any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age or, subject to division (B) of this section, furnish any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age, except for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes, including, but not limited to, instruction in firearms or handgun safety, care, handling, or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult;
(4) Sell or furnish a firearm to a person who is eighteen years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the firearm for the purpose of selling the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(5) Sell or furnish a handgun to a person who is twenty-one years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the handgun for the purpose of selling the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;
(6) Purchase or attempt to purchase any firearm with the intent to sell the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or with the intent to furnish the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(7) Purchase or attempt to purchase any handgun with the intent to sell the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or with the intent to furnish the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age.
(B) Divisions (A)(1) and (2) of this section do not apply to the sale or furnishing of a handgun to a person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age if the person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age is a law enforcement officer who is properly appointed or employed as a law enforcement officer and has received firearms training approved by the Ohio peace officer training council or equivalent firearms training.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of improperly furnishing firearms to a minor, a felony of the fifth degree.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923
Good thing he didn't take your gun, poppy, you would have committed a FELONY! Those folks aren't nearly as ignorant of the law as you claim they are. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.
(A) No person shall do any of the following:
(1) Sell any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(2) Subject to division (B) of this section, sell any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;
(3) Furnish any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age or, subject to division (B) of this section, furnish any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age, except for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes, including, but not limited to, instruction in firearms or handgun safety, care, handling, or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult;
(4) Sell or furnish a firearm to a person who is eighteen years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the firearm for the purpose of selling the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(5) Sell or furnish a handgun to a person who is twenty-one years of age or older if the seller or furnisher knows, or has reason to know, that the person is purchasing or receiving the handgun for the purpose of selling the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or for the purpose of furnishing the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;
(6) Purchase or attempt to purchase any firearm with the intent to sell the firearm in violation of division (A)(1) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age or with the intent to furnish the firearm in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under eighteen years of age;
(7) Purchase or attempt to purchase any handgun with the intent to sell the handgun in violation of division (A)(2) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age or with the intent to furnish the handgun in violation of division (A)(3) of this section to a person who is under twenty-one years of age.
(B) Divisions (A)(1) and (2) of this section do not apply to the sale or furnishing of a handgun to a person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age if the person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age is a law enforcement officer who is properly appointed or employed as a law enforcement officer and has received firearms training approved by the Ohio peace officer training council or equivalent firearms training.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of improperly furnishing firearms to a minor, a felony of the fifth degree.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923
Good thing he didn't take your gun, poppy, you would have committed a FELONY! Those folks aren't nearly as ignorant of the law as you claim they are. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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earlthegoat2
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Same way in MI, that seller better read up lest he lose more business.
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