Gunbroker ethics question

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Scenario : An item on Gunbroker has a Reserve or Buy Now price which seems unreasonable. The item does not sell.

Question: Is it ethical to contact the seller and make an offline offer?

I read through the guidelines and FAQ for buyers and did not find reference to this situation. What do you all think?
 
It is a bit of a gray area because if the transaction is not completed within GB both you and the seller have cheated GB out of their fee. Seller got a free sale and you found a gun you would not otherwise have found on the back of GBs infrastructure which is not free.

If it were me I would send them a message tell them that if they setup a buy it now auction at X price you would buy it immediately. This way you are not going around GB. You also are offered some limited protection as the buyer or seller against the deal going completely south.
 
It is a bit of a gray area because if the transaction is not completed within GB both you and the seller have cheated GB out of their fee. Seller got a free sale and you found a gun you would not otherwise have found on the back of GBs infrastructure which is not free.


Gunbroker is not cheated out of their fee if the item failed to sell.
 
Gunbroker is not cheated out of their fee if the item failed to sell.

They are once you complete the transaction outside their site they are. I love questions like this. If you believe you are up and up doing this why the need to ask? Clearly you understand the gray area you are working in or else you would not have asked. IMHO

Read the site rules and you will see that what you are proposing is again the rule of GB. http://www.gunbroker.com/User/SiteRules.aspx

3. Fee Avoidance. You are not permitted to avoid or circumvent paying our fees. By this we mean that activities such as the following are prohibited:

Using contact information obtained from our Site or using a website feature to:
-offer to sell merchandise outside of our Site;
-offer to sell an Item outside of the Site to a bidder who placed a bid but did not meet the reserve price; or
-sell duplicate or additional merchandise outside of the Site to non-winning bidders.
-Canceling a Listing so that you may sell the Item to anyone who contacted you through our Site or who became aware of the Item through our Site.
-Ending an auction early to sell the Item at a higher price to a winning bidder.
-Offering in a Listing the opportunity to purchase the Item or other merchandise outside of our Site.
-Linking to an Item on another website that is identical to the Item offered at auction but is priced lower than the auction item’s reserve price or starting bid.
-Listing an Item with a low price but charging unreasonably high shipping or handling costs.
-Listing a single Item and offering additional identical Items for sale in the item Listing. In this type of Listing, the seller instructs buyers to indicate the number of items they want and states that they can get the same price as the Item in the Listing.

If you engage in one of these practices once, we reserve the right to terminate your account immediately. In the event we issue a warning to you, repeated violations will lead to a termination of your account.
 
"If you believe you are up and up doing this why the need to ask?"

At the risk of stating the obvious , It is my endeavor to determine whether such a situation is or is not ethical , and am seeking opinions from others as I work towards that end.
 
Question: Is it ethical to contact the seller and make an offline offer?
No, but you asked the question wonky.

It's not unethical to make an offer offline but it is unethical to complete the sale offline.
 
At the risk of stating the obvious , I is my endeavor to determine whether such a situation is or is not ethical , and am seeking opinions from others as I work towards that end.

The reason I question your motives is because you are arguing with a clear example and illustration why it is not ethical but you made no comment on someone saying go for it. You clearly believe it is OK and are simply looking for validation. IMHO

It is not ethical to complete the transaction outside of GB because you are avoiding/cheating the GB fee structure helping you to get a lower price.

For example a $3000 rifle has a GB fee of about $50. If you offered $2975 offline you are getting it cheaper and the seller is getting more while GB is getting cheated.
 
The information presented in post#5 pretty well makes the case that an offline offer and/or sale is inappropriate , even if the item did not sell. Asked and answered.

This - "send them a message tell them that if they setup a buy it now auction at X price you would buy it immediately. " - seems like a reasonable option, one which I will consider. That way the sale still goes through the brokerage.

Question asked , meaningful responses were given , mission accomplished. Thanks for the input.
 
Scenario : An item on Gunbroker has a Reserve or Buy Now price which seems unreasonable. The item does not sell.

Question: Is it ethical to contact the seller and make an offline offer?


Sounds like it's not a question of ethics, but a question of the seller breaking his contract with GB.

What I have seen many times on GB is folks put items up for sale at ridiculously high prices, just to see if someone out there is foolish enough to pay that price. They are not really interested in selling the item for what it's worth.
 
If the item "failed to sell", that tells me the auction is over with no buyer. Ask away before it's re-listed.

If the auction has not ended, then you ought to let it run its course...the seller has, after all, entered into a contract with gunbroker to auction his firearm on their site.
 
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