Gunfight near Dallas, cop kills robber

[glockman19]

As a matter of fact, police officers are civilians.

If this were only true. Facts still prove it wrong.

Police are given/allowed powers off duty that Citizens are not. This includes H.R. 218 that gives all Active/Retired LEO the right to carry concealed Nationally. The Right to make a lawful arrest, even though a citizen can make a citizens arrest of anyone, They would likely be charged with kidnapping for restraining them while they wait for LEO to arrive. National law Miller vs. DC where LEO are apparently NOT responsible for protecting any citizens and may not be leld liable for NOT coming to their aid. Finally, the city of Ventura CA will now charge $50 for every call to 911 because they can't afford to provide "Public Safety".

The last nail in the coffin, Figuratively and sometimes literally, is that We as Citizens are not allowed to protect our selves. And when we do...we are in most cases looked upon as guilty of something BAD rather than "innocent before proven guilty".

While Yes police officers are civilians, they have extraordinary powers that "most" citizens do NOT. Kinda' like saying, "As a matter of fact, Monkey's are Mammals Yes but to a lesser degree on the evolutionary chart. Like LEO and Citizens they are supposed to serve, LEO seem to have a higher degree of Rights/Authority on the scale of liberties. They are more trusted than the citizenry they are to serve.

BTW I do think it was a justifiable shoot.

 

[Bailey Guns]

You obviously don't live in Colorado, glockman19.

Yes, police are given certain powers to act...no argument there. However, civilians in this state basically have the same powers as police when witnessing a crime. Police officers in this state are civilians. I was taught that my first day of the LE academy and was constantly reminded of that fact over my 15 year career.

The big difference is the police are trained to a level regarding legal issues that most civilians aren't. I'm not advocating chasing a bad guy...I'm just saying there's nothing in Colorado law that prohibits that or defending yourself with deadly force if you reasonably believe a lesser degree of force is inadequate and you are facing a reasonably perceived threat that you might suffer serious bodily injury or death (applies to defending an innocent third person as well).

 

[Bailey Guns]

While Yes police officers are civilians, they have extraordinary powers that "most" citizens do NOT.

Yeah, so? So do HAZMAT truckers.

Like LEO and Citizens they are supposed to serve, LEO seem to have a higher degree of Rights/Authority on the scale of liberties. They are more trusted than the citizenry they are to serve.

OK...that made me laugh. Not a criticism but you've obviously never been a LEO.

 

[Buttermilk]

Sorry to disagree. The police only have the powers the citizens give them. In giving them powers, we, the citizens, do not relinquish our own powers.
An officer takes the law into his own hands and an armed citizen takes the situation into his own hands. The Supreme Court has ruled that the police are not here for our protection, so we, having the power and right granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, have the right to defend ourselves, family, others and property.
IMO, if the perp had the guys wallet, the guy had an ongoing crime and the theft of identity going on and had a right to protect himself.
Some will say, it's just property, blah, blah, blah, and it is and the perp is a violent criminal who got just what he deserved.

Read "Transfer of Wealth" by John Longenecker and "Unintended Consequences" too. Also, "Enemies foreign and Domestic".
But most important, read YOUR Constitution and Bill of Rights!!!

 

[WildRed]

There were witnesses to the gunfight in the p/lot (where there was another man shooting). At no time did they hear the man identify himself as the police. My unit is on the breezeway. I heard what I thought was fireworks. I never heard anyone yell police. I poked my head out slowely to see if I could catch someone doing it. I saw what I thought was a man digging in a bag (it was actually the dead body). Was he checking vitals or planting his wallet on him? Here stupid me still thought it was fireworks and when I saw the cop thought he was holding a firework. He then pointed the gun at me and held it there for like 10 sec. I thought maybe he was threatening me like "yeah I'm gonna fire this firework at you". I kept one foot inside and was preparing to jump back inside in case he fired it. He lowered the gun but kept raising it up towards me a few more time. At NO TIME did he say to me that he was a cop. I thought I'd go back inside to see if he'd "fire his firework" so I could call the cops. (I Know....I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed some days). I poked my head out less that a min later and heard him making a phone call and how the man was dead. I still didnt get what was going on, but having medical training, I went out to see if I could help. At THAT time he yelled at me that he was a policeman and there was a shooting and to go inside. He didnt have a badge, but he was still waiving that gun around so I went inside. The cops didnt interview ANY bystanders that I know of.
Tell me this isnt a coverup and I'll kiss your butt.

 

[cane]

Well WILDRED, start kissing, just because you didn't hear him say he was a police officer, doesn't mean he didn't. As far as the police interviewing bystanders, all you really know is they didn't interview you. Why not give the PD a call and tell them you have information about the shooting? As far as your description of what you say, I guess it's open to your preconceived ideas ie; "Was he checking vitals or planting his wallet on him?"
Just curious, so what if the victim didn't announce he was a police officer? Doesn't change the fact he was a sworn peace officer, confronting an armed felon. Don't see your "cover up" anywhere here.

 

[silverlance]

I was chuckling at how the cop was at a cheap motel parking lot until i heard about the "sting".

suuuure... *chuckles*